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Message posted by brownsfriend on 14/9/2008 at 7:44pm
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Bought an Autocruise Starfire on a new Peugeot Boxer 6 months ago. On purchase noticed water ingress on engine because channels do not adequately duct water away. Problem known by Peugeot but still waiting for cover to be fitted. Also noticed major probelms if reversing uphill - even if slowly. Peugeot will not accept this is a problem despite anecdotal tails of folk wrecking gearboxs. I am now very cautious when reversing and would warn others of the possible problem.

Has anybody out there had similar problems ??


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What "major probelms if reversing uphill" have you noticed...???

I too have a new Boxer and read about the water ingress problem but can state it is not present on my van. 



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i was told at peugeot main agents, a fix for the reversing problem would be out soon, still holding my breathing 'til its fixed mind you.

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Fiat have the same problems but seem to be doing a lot more to 'fix' them.

They have a software (????) fix out in Jan 2009 for the reversing problem apparently?!  We've noticed it on our Auto-Trail (fiat) but so far it's not a major inconvenience!

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I think I've read somewhere(..I think it was either in a recent MMM or the CC magazine),that the re-map was a "fix",whilst they produced a new,lower ratio reverse gear cog,which they would then fit under warranty!?.

Discover at Cannock,fitted the engine covers to ours(..an '07 2.2hdi), free of charge(under warranty?),prior to us picking it up..

Although we haven't experienced any real reversing problems with ours yet..it does require more revs than our previous Transit,inorder to reverse up slopes smoothly...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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The main problem is a loud and violent juddering sound that feels like the gearbox is about to drop out. Peugoet have said no problem and refuse to consider the matter.

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This is well documented on some of the motorhome websites, just google it and look for posts on juddergate and scuttlegate.  They are trying to get lots of people together because as individuals they don't seem to be getting anywhere in many cases.

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One such thread here, as you will see by the number of responses this problem is widespread!

http://www.motorhomefacts.com/ftopic-34317.html

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Quote: Originally posted by brownsfriend on 15/9/2008
The main problem is a loud and violent juddering sound that feels like the gearbox is about to drop out. Peugoet have said no problem and refuse to consider the matter.

We havn't come across anything that obvious(..yet!)..

I've found the article(snippet?) I'd mentioned earlier..and it's in september's CC mag..and if, as it says, Peugeot are producing software to improve low down torque and also that a lower reverse gear is in the pipe line..then that surely shows that they've finally admitted there's an issue!?


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I beleive the peugoet and the fiat engine are one and the same, made in the same factory but on a different line - something like that.

We have the 3.0Ltr Fiat diesel engine, and ther is definatly something not quite right with it going up hill backwards, you have to give it more welly for it to be smooth


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Thanks Ali - posted on Motorhomefacts forum plenty of folks have the same problem

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Yes they do.  They are known as Sevel, a joint venture between Peugeot, Citroen and Fiat.  Hope you get it sorted.

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Bought a new autocruise starfire three months ago, water leaking all over the engine and ECU.  It also has the reversing problem.

Has anyone had any luck with peugeot?

 



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Hi All

This is what developed from Fiat yesterday.It was up on another forum.


Those of you who have been watching the two forums may already know that Fiat have finally stated that they will be fixing our vans.
This is also relevant to Peugeot owners as it is Fiat who are supplying the parts to do it.
What Fiat intend to do is start work on the 2.3 litre 6 speed versions some time in late January, and then moving onto the 2.2 and 3 litre versions next. This is a huge task and may take a couple of months to complete.
The solution involves revised engine moutings, a revised clutch and a lower ratio reverse gear, but they say that each vehicle may not require all three revisions. They will be treating each vehicle and doing work necessary to satisfy each customer.
There is a suspicion that they will be attempting to satisy as many customers as possible with the engine mounting mods as this is the cheapest for them.
Tellingly (maybe just to have a dig at Peugeot for blowing the whistle) they do not consider an ECU re-map to have any merit.
There is still uncertainty as to whether they have all the tools and manpower etc to strip and rebuild the gearboxes here, so that bit is as yet not fixed.
Everyone should be getting a letter in the next few days so there is no point contacting Fiat just yet.
Everyone will need to be focused and wary when it comes to the actual work and ensure they test their van in extreme conditions to ensure it is a complete solution.
I'm now fairly confident that we are all (Fiat and Peugeot) going to get the remedial work done, but if you feel that you aren't sufficiently knowledgable about mechanical matters please take someone along with you who is when it comes time for the work to be carried out.

Hope this helps


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That's interesting news chigman..I think I'll get onto our dealer and give 'em a nudge..(..as we bought second-hand,I'm not entirely sure if the Peugeot will have us "on file").

steamin phil...Your dealer should at the very least fit the plastic covers for you...it is after all, what they were designed  for!!!

...Keep an eye on the plastic panel around the off-side wiper-pivot,as it can remain filled with water because the drain hole is to small and constantly imerse the pivot (..I openned ours out by poking a screwdriver through the hole).

Also keep an eye on the actual drain tube(..the rubber tube that leads down from the lower windscreen  tray..As where it passes through the inner wheel arch,it narrows down and ours needed clearing of leaves/gunge with a hosepipe(..whilst holding away the plastic wheel arch liner...)

Hope that makes sense..it sounded clearer in my head..

Chris

 



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Good news - plastic cover now fitted to engine ( at last) to divert water ingress. Time will tell if it is effective. Still no news on recall for reversing judder. Thanks all for being kept up to date re Fiat etc.

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