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Subject Topic: "A" Frames in France - the law`s changed
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Message posted by happybonzo on 26/10/2014 at 6:43am
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The gist of this article is that in answer to a question in the French Parliament that "A" Frames are now illegal - no ifs or buts

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The transgressors have been being booked in France and Spain for a number of years. This country as not got round to do anything about it, yet.

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What this means is that the equipment used for towing the car is legal under European directive but the French government does not interpret a combination of motorhome towing car with the approved equipment as a legal vehicle on ther roads.

This is EU law in conflict with national law & highlights the disfunctional nature of the EU itself. For example, under EU law any vehicle or combination that is legal in its EU country of registration is legal to drive anywhere else in the EU, except it isn't because national law can override EU law if that country chooses to do so.

So under EU law a UK reg motorhome can tow a car on an A frame anywhere in the the EU but only if the national law of that country allows it, making that piece of EU law utterly superflous.

I would guess it is the British sense of 'fair play' that causes this country to slavishly adopt every piece of EU legislation while other countries do it only when it suits them.

Bizarrely, the A frame system is for sale in France where the sellers claim it is legal. here

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Quote: Originally posted by Ludovine on 26/10/2014


Bizarrely, the A frame system is for sale in France where the sellers claim it is legal. here



Presumably, this was before the latest from the French Parliament


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Quote: Originally posted by Ludovine on 26/10/2014

a) So under EU law a UK reg motorhome can tow a car on an A frame anywhere in the the EU but only if the national law of that country allows it, making that piece of EU law utterly superflous.

b)I would guess it is the British sense of 'fair play' that causes this country to slavishly adopt every piece of EU legislation while other countries do it only when it suits them.


a)But isn't it also "muddied" by the fact that their use hasn't been "proven" to be legal(or illegal) here in the UK either?..they still just seem to be a tolerated "grey area"..

b) I agree with that...


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Oh dear !! I wonder how long it will be before the practice is outlawed here .

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Quote: Originally posted by pepe63 on 26/10/2014
But isn't it also "muddied" by the fact that their usehasn't been "proven" to be legal(or illegal) here in the UK either?..they still just seem to be a tolerated "grey area"..


Indeed, & the motorhomer's first point of contact will be with the cop(or whoever)who stops him beside the road & the motorhomer will have to discuss/argue over this 'grey area' with the cop in the cop's own language.



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Ya want some REAL fun?? Try getting a UK registered Kit Car registered in France.

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since when the French have listened or obeyed European laws/rules??? I knew this was coming

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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 26/10/2014Oh dear !! I wonder how long it will be before the practice is outlawed here .



Any new UK car registered after 1 November 2014 cannot be retrofitted with an A frame. It must be transported behind the motorhome on a trailer.

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If A frames are banned in the UK I wonder how many of the Motorhome Fraternity will go back to a car and caravan when they cant have there little run-around to take with them

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Petty comments do you no good at all. Grow up.

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but I have always said "what is the point of having a motorhome and then tow a car behind" might as well tow a caravan and that's it. Am I going get it in the neck???? I think people that tow cars with their motorhomes are "my opinion " show offs

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Quote: Originally posted by pepe63 on 26/10/2014



a)But isn't it also "muddied" by the fact that their usehasn't been "proven" to be legal(or illegal) here in the UK either?..they still just seem to be a tolerated "grey area"..




When I worked in the motor-trade I had a chat with a guy from VOSA who said it would stay that way until it was proven / disproven in court.

My interpretation of A-frames was that they were legal if they had an automatic reverse brake override.... But I'm no lawyer so you use them at your own risk!

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Quote: Originally posted by wineciccio on 27/10/2014
but I have always said "what is the point of having a motorhome and then tow a car behind" might as well tow a caravan and that's it. Am I going get it in the neck???? I think people that tow cars with their motorhomes are "my opinion " show offs



The only reason I converted from a caravan to a motorhome was so that I can take my Caterham 7 with us and that travels on a trailer.

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I have just found your remark Winciccio regarding motorhomers being show offs if the have a small car on the back. I really can't understand why you think that I had a caravan for years and have just recently decided to change to a MH because we can go away more often and find it easier to have short trips away more often with a MH but have also the choice to take the little car for longer more adventorous trips away So everyone has different reasons for everything not for showing off..


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