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Message posted by ficklejade on 22/9/2017 at 12:51am
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1) Please note this is the Western Isles, not Mull!!!

2) Please also note that, if some form of levy was to be applied, it will take a long time to get it through the complexities of the ticketing system/legislation.

3) Whilst it's recognised that motorhomes are the issue (and the same is true for Mull and other islands) in terms of numbers and ferry space, I'm not sure that singling out motorhomes is entirely fair, since all visitors use local infrastructure and facilities. That would include me as a tenter.

4) If one assumes a "tourist tax" does get put in place and always with the proviso that those monies are ring-fenced to provide better amenities, would you consider say 1 - 5 on a passenger ticket and 5 - 10 on a vehicle ticket too much? Would that, in the case of Mull, deter the "day tripper" motorhomer from coming over?

I'd appreciate any constructive comments and ideas for solutions. Whilst there's only faint murmurings about a tourist tax on Mull visitors - not popular - islanders are not benefitting from the almost doubled revenue the Council gets from the Craignure pier dues since RET came in - that money could have gone a considerable way to repairing out worst road sections, creating more viewpoints parking and keeping at least one set of public loos open without the expense to an individual or community group. I am asking this because it would be good to feed in the "customers' views" on potential ferry fare changes to the appropriate Committee, Community Council and ultimately to the Council and Scottish Gov't.

I'm not going to be interested in moans about our roads (we all know they're s**t, but no money to improve them) nor whinges about single track roads - if you're in charge of a vehicle you should be able to reverse it and obey the Highway Code. (That applies to all road users!) I am genuinely asking you to contribute because I can get your views passed on.


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Visitors, not just motorhomes, put pressure on the islands but also bring much needed income. I wouldn't mind paying a levy to preserve the uniqueness of the Western isles but only if that money was used in the community. I also feel that this should be across the board but with exemptions for locals, local business and businesses supplying the islands.
The idea of tourist taxes or 'ecology' taxes aren't new and I have paid them elsewhere. I should point out that I am not a motorhomer but do visit and do use the facilities. I am also worried about the damage that has been done to toilets on Arran and elsewhere by the dumping of waste from waste tanks down the septics. This could offset that and give something back to the community. I think if you can afford all your camping gear or a big MH, a fiver isn't going to hurt.

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I think it is fair to levy a 'vehicle tax' with he proviso that the money is used to improve local amenities.

The amount you are suggesting is less than the adult admission fee to many attractions, so 10 per vehicle (less for motorbikes and pedal bikes) is about right.
Residents would be exempt.

I'm no so sure about charging for foot passengers, because if I understand the problem correctly, it is mainly road traffic that is the issue.

I appreciate that you are not talking exclusively about Mull, but I'm wondering about Skye which has a road bridge.. If the 'tourist tax' was applied across all the islands, then a toll system would have to be re-instated on the Skye bridge.

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Do a google search for visitor tax and find out how much you pay elsewhere in local visitor tax normally charged as part of your accomodation charge
I would have no problem with paying a visitortax as long as the money is used to enhance the visitor experience

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Is this not like bolting the stable door once the horse has gone? Is the real problem that there are not or not enough facilities in place to satisfy the demand that exists? The problem is that no public authority is likely to be in a position to provide these facilities and even if there was a charge it could take years for such facilities to be put into place. The local councils could help by encouraging private enterprise to provide proper aires for motorhomes. The problem might be that slapping a tourist tax on visitors without providing the facilities might just kill the goose etc. I have no issue with a charge or a tourist tax but using it to try and cure a perceived problem might not work. The likes of Venice are struggling with the same problem, except its not motorhomes, just people.

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Generalising, and speaking as someone on a limited budget, I tend to think that tolls, fees, and car parking charges can be counter-productive in tourist areas. Often, money spent on these things is money that is not then available to be spent with local businesses.

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I wouldn't mind paying a levy if I was sure that it would benefit the residents rather than just be used to top up the councils funding,which I suspect is what would actually happen. The residents deserve a bit of a reward for the inconvenience that they have to put up with.

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The proposal refers to the Outer Hebrides, but what about Skye in the Inner Hebrides?

Since the abolition of bridge tolls Skye has suffered ever increasing overcrowding. This summer the number of visitors exceeded the available accommodation and parking facilities, resulting in gridlocked roads at times.   

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Thank you for all your helpful comments; I hope to get some more before I write this up for the ferry committee and community council

CaptLightning - yes, Skye with its bridge is an issue but from talking to some folks from Skye last weekend, it seems the idea there is that the tourist tax would be levied by providers, be it accommodation outlets or all types, restaurants, etc. and go into a community owned company pot for distribution to agreed projects. At least, I think that's what they were saying. Of course, that wouldn't work with informal campers, which might cause some problems in terms of fairness and in my view, if there's going to be a tax, it should be for all visitors. Managing a tourist tax where you can only be reached by ferry is easier!!

     

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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 22/9/2017
Generalising, and speaking as someone on a limited budget, I tend to think that tolls, fees, and car parking charges can be counter-productive in tourist areas. Often, money spent on these things is money that is not then available to be spent with local businesses.



Colin21, I too am on a very limited budget and I take your point, which is why I avoid major tourist areas in season! Some places' parking charges are extortionate but car parks are often full, so clearly some are able to afford them or else so desperate to visit a place or attraction they'll bite the bullet! I note you're speaking generally but what would you say if the charge was added to your ferry fare to get to an island and paid directly to a non-profit making community company dedicated to making infrastructure improvements for visitors and residents alike?

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Quote: Originally posted by Bernie47 on 22/9/2017
The proposal refers to the Outer Hebrides, but what about Skye in the Inner Hebrides?

Since the abolition of bridge tolls Skye has suffered ever increasing overcrowding. This summer the number of visitors exceeded the available accommodation and parking facilities, resulting in gridlocked roads at times.   



Sorry, Bernie, was typing when you posted. Whilst I don't know for certain, please see my response to CaptLightning above re Skye.

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A proportion of the increased revenue since RET came in should go to more CDPs, keeping public toilets open or even siting new ones at hot spots (as planned in Skye, I think), road & verge repairs etc. I can't see a fair way to impose a levy - per person? Per Motorhome? Per day of stay? And how - on the ferry ticket, I assume, undoing part of the RET benefits.
Digressing... The matter of more viewpoints is interesting - in the Dumfries & Galloway NSAs (national scenic areas, equivalent to AONBs), the local residents were involved in forming the Management Plans (they should be online) and they suggested places where folk wanted to stop but couldn't. New pull-ins have now been made (not big, enough for 2-3 vehicles), and postcards of the views are available.

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Quote: Originally posted by ficklejade on 22/9/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 22/9/2017
Generalising, and speaking as someone on a limited budget, I tend to think that tolls, fees, and car parking charges can be counter-productive in tourist areas. Often, money spent on these things is money that is not then available to be spent with local businesses.



Colin21, I too am on a very limited budget and I take your point, which is why I avoid major tourist areas in season! Some places' parking charges are extortionate but car parks are often full, so clearly some are able to afford them or else so desperate to visit a place or attraction they'll bite the bullet! I note you're speaking generally but what would you say if the charge was added to your ferry fare to get to an island and paid directly to a non-profit making community company dedicated to making infrastructure improvements for visitors and residents alike?



I am always keen to support local businesses, and would much rather be spending what little money I have helping those local businesses rather than paying extortionate car park fees. Hence my comment. If the additional charge benefitted the local community rather than lining the pockets of some huge corporation or disappearing into a council's bottomless pit, I would be in favour.

Incidentally, I too avoid major tourist areas in high season. I also avoid taking my breaks during school holidays and at bank holidays. Fortunately I am retired and can take my holidays when I want.

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Thanks, Colin. To explain the situation with Mull, the Craignure ferry terminal belongs to A&B Council and subsidizes all the Council's other piers and slips. Since RET has come in and with the reduced fares many more visitors, the Council has raked in a very considerable extra amount of money. Some of this has gone to improvements that are starting on the Fionnphort - Iona ferry, which is fair enough, but otherwise none of the money has come back to Mull and our basic infrastructure is taking a pounding. Incidentally, we had a paid car park at Fionnphort and Craignure, but there are also free car parks at both places though the former is not in a good state. It's free to park elsewhere on Mull.

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Quote: Originally posted by David Klyne on 22/9/2017
Is this not like bolting the stable door once the horse has gone? Is the real problem that there are not or not enough facilities in place to satisfy the demand that exists? The problem is that no public authority is likely to be in a position to provide these facilities and even if there was a charge it could take years for such facilities to be put into place. The local councils could help by encouraging private enterprise to provide proper aires for motorhomes. The problem might be that slapping a tourist tax on visitors without providing the facilities might just kill the goose etc. I have no issue with a charge or a tourist tax but using it to try and cure a perceived problem might not work. The likes of Venice are struggling with the same problem, except its not motorhomes, just people.

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My apologies David for missing responding to your post. I may not have made it clear that current thinking is to impose a small amount on visitors' ferry tickets which would go to a non profit-making community company, plus possibly getting some share of the pier dues from Craignure pier, all ring-fenced for infrastructure. This could then be used to keep public toilets open and encourage landowners (most of the land on Mull is owned by big estates) to provide more facilities for all and, equally importantly, pay for servicing them - such as rubbish collection. You would be surprised just how little regard visitors of all types have for the twelve viewpoints that have been created by landowners. All of those were put in place within a year of proposal, so it needed take forever.

Yes, getting new camping and caravanning sites does take time but two have been approved in the last year.

Not being a motorhomer, I am slightly confused as to why one would want aires? Surely, having a motorhome and some independence from sites, other than using a campsite service point (which we do have) every so often, is one of the major factors for having one? There is a good choice of places for informal camping on Mull and for that matter on the Outer Isles.



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I agree with much of what has been said, and would too be happy to pay a tourist tax, but again there would need to be something in place to be sure it's spent where it is supposed too. I think 'policing' it would prove difficult. where does it stop? Should it just apply to islands? Living in a rural, and tourist area already, mainland I am seeing the effect of increased tourism, and what I see in my area I don't like . Much buisier roads, small with passing spaces filled with people who don't know how to drive on highland roads. I'm not sure this is something councils can be fixed, but they can most certainly make an effort with better facilities. Something as simple as bins would make a huge difference.

Raising awareness regarding fragility of roads and services is also something councils can do...

It might help to have prebooked accomdation during the buisiest times, but not everywhere allows pre booking of sites, just turn up in peak holiday season and take your chances doesn't work and adds to congestion. I say peak season only though as for me, being a motorhomer, it's part of the fun not planning too much, but I travel off peak.

its a difficult one. We are taxed up to the hilt already, adding more charges on already fairly expensive ferry tickets might just have the opposite effect.


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