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Message posted by feeblecat on 23/1/2014 at 7:35pm
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All about the e-cig tonight. Dont smoke (12 years quit) but interested to hear what this programme comes up with.

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I quit a good few years ago but OH still smokes and does keep trying with the e-cigs and failing miserably (probably because he doesn't really want to give up he just does it to humour me when I nag him about the cost) but the programme will no doubt be all about the dangers of e-cigs - probably sponsored by the tobacco companies as they must be affecting their profits.

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A good programme and don't worry about tobacco revenue, BAT were on the programme and they are investing heavily in ecigs to keep revenue streams up. A good thing as most pension providers invest in BAT shares.

There's no doubt there are probably dangers as it is completely unregulated. The advertising is a throwback to the 50s and 60s and no one knows what is in the oils.

Once regulation comes into play tax will be slapped on and only the big boys will be left as they are the only ones who can afford the testing regimes.

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Yes, i was surprised that the big tobacco companies were investing in them.

Ironically, it was a smoker who complained in one workplace I know of, presumably because the vaping person didnt have to go out and stand in the rain to "vape".

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My mother will be 91 next week and has smoked since she was 14. Doctor told her 'either stop smoking or you may lose your leg'. Mother was terrified so has managed to cut down from 5 packs a week to one and actually enjoys her e-cig. It has helped her even if it is only psychologically so where is the harm in that. It certainly cannot be worse than nicotine and tar in tobacco.
I smoked 40 a day until 12 years ago and wish I had had e-cigs to help me pack in.

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I know someone who used to smoke 20 a day - she switched to e-cigs, and now has THREE on the go at once (as once you've had a cigarette's worth of 'stuff', they won't work again for a certain period of time) and only seems to stop using them to eat or drink!  Her nictotine intake must have rocketed with her use of e-cigs (although she tells everyone how good she is now and that she never smokes anymore!!) and she is definitely more short-tempered.  So e-cigs aren't all good news.

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I think they are a good thing in so far that there's no more harmful smoke/tar effects on the lungs but I wonder how many people who switch to ecigs are then better able to quit altogether or is it just another way of smoking rather than an aid to giving up?

Also anyone remember skoll bandits, nicotine pouches you put between gum and teeth they were used for years before being linked to some nasty oral cancers and subsequently banned.   Not comparing the two but hope that something nasty isn't around the corner for the ecig stuff.

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I'm sitting on the fence, mainly because of the lack of research into them. And I do think that they are being used in some instances as a replacement rather than an aid to stop. A load of the younsters on the programme last night thought they were a "cool" accessory.

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The thing is your still hooked on nicotine and the purpose of giving up smoking on the whole is to get rid of it out your system.You get a lot of other chemicals from smoking fags,all they have done is,is to get rid of the nasties and leave you with the nicotine.

I watch a program and on it they said nicotine is more addictive than heroine cocaine,or any other drug you would like to name.Thats why is so hard to give up.

Non smokers may moan about smoking but,they have no idea how hard it is to give up and the goverment knows this.
They could make cigs 20 a packet and it would still not stop people from smoking.

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I just sincerely hope they are banned in pubs and restaurants.
Eating out has been a pleasure since the fag ban.

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What baffles me totally regarding the sales of tobacco is the fact that supermarkets legally had to cover all the shelves behind sliding doors out of view but smaller outlets such as newsagents don't have to so I can't see any logic in this at all from the start. This obvious portrays that some pathetic idiot in government hasn't got a clue about tobacco sales so in light of this it's not a deterrent at all, in fact I would consider it totally unfair trading. However, with this in view it goes to show exactly the mentality of those who introduce these methods with no real purpose behind their implementation. If they are trying to curb smoking tobacco on the one hand due to excessive NHS admissions and 100,000 related deaths anuually then I would have thought that it was paramount to regulate e-cigs before they even reach the consumer due to the fact that there could be dangerous substances that we the consumer, the trading standards and government know absolutely nothing about. According the TV programme 'Tonight' one person has already died due to oil formation of the lungs but the coroners verdict drew a blank which suggests that these e-cigs could well be unsuitable for many especially those with lung disease. Also, it is illegal to sell tobacco to anyone under the age of 18 and yet children can buy these e-cigs which is totally irresponsible by government to allow this to proceed without any regulation whatsoever. Young people are seeing e-cigs as an attraction so covering up fags in the supermarket is totally pointless and whilst the issue remains that the government refuses to act and accept responsibility, in the long term we could well see middle aged people dying early solely because no research of these e-cigs has been conducted. This means that as we are all supposed to be living longer, having to work longer and retire later in life and also having to contribute into our pensions then a lot of people could well lose out and not even reach retirement age. This of course then put millions of pounds of peoples unclaimed investment into the government hands so if you read between the lines on this issue there is sometimes an unknown logic and a method in the madness.

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Quote: Originally posted by Scampi on 24/1/2014I know someone who used to smoke 20 a day - she switched to e-cigs, and now has THREE on the go at once (as once you've had a cigarette's worth of 'stuff', they won't work again for a certain period of time) and only seems to stop using them to eat or drink! Her nictotine intake must have rocketed with her use of e-cigs (although she tells everyone how good she is now and that she never smokes anymore!!) and she is definitely more short-tempered. So e-cigs aren't all good news.



My son gave up using one of these and for a while used it like a babies dummy. However, he is now down to just vaping at times he would normally have had a ciggie, so there is hope. Also less short tempered, that goes after a while.

Although I have a set of these, I've yet to give up completely using them, although I have cut down a lot.

Tango - I support your thinking of a hidden agenda/conspiracy theory regarding e-cigs!


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I packed up smoking with the help of patches and a very supportive nurse at my local surgery.

In order to help me stay off the ciggies I had to get rid of everything smoking related in the house...ashtrays, all cigarettes, matches, lighters etc.

I don't think being given a cigarette to suck on, even an electric one, would have helped in the slightests. The idea is to get the thought of smoking right out of your mind, not to be given a plastic cigarette every time you fancied one!

Stopping the urge to smoke is one thing but stopping the 'habit' of lighting up at certain times of the day or in certain situations is probably far more important. If you 'light up' an electric one at these times it will not break that habit.



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Quote: Originally posted by feeblecat on 23/1/2014
All about the e-cig tonight. Dont smoke (12 years quit) but interested to hear what this programme comes up with.




Anybody know which station it was on as i missed it but could get it on demand..what was the programs name?



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The person I know who uses an e-cig all the time has been on them at least 3 years now - she's no intention of giving them up.

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Quote: Originally posted by jeff juke on 24/1/2014
Quote: Originally posted by feeblecat on 23/1/2014All about the e-cig tonight. Dont smoke (12 years quit) but interested to hear what this programme comes up with.




Anybody know which station it was on as i missed it but could get it on demand..what was the programs name?





The programme was on ITV 1 and was called 'Tonight' which is a documentary programme that reports on various topics that involves the general public.


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