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Message posted by Ewen c on 09/10/2017 at 12:30pm
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It was about time that Windows discovered the rolling upgrade model. To say there won't be a Win11 is wishful thinking. There will come a time when it will be needed.
As for Linux, I run win7, win 10, pclos and mint on various computers in the house.For all those saying they couldn't use Linux.....you may already be doing so if you have an android phone or tablet. Android is a Linux distribution.
I must admit that the Linux computers used to beat the windows ones on reliability but win 7 and win 10 are both very good with no problems so far.

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If I'm using an android phone or tablet then I'm most likely using it not making modifications to it so I will have no clue what it is using. It is fair to say that my successful use of Windows over the years is due to a small bit of knowledge & understanding. Just good housekeeping. Understanding enough about the system to keep it running smoothly & cleanly. Like a well oiled machine really.

From various threads on here it is fairly plain that some Windows users are not able to understand how to do that small bit of housekeeping to keep their systems running cleanly then other posters come along & say, basically if you cannot cope with even a standard out of the box os then build your own linux os. I can see a flaw in that. Can you?

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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 09/10/2017
Windows 10 is the last one apparently. It will just be updated continuously. There will be no Windows 11. Apple is similar. Earlier devices, phones or ipads cannot be upgraded to latest iOS11. I can't see the objections to upgrades. If there were none we would still be on Windows 98.

There will be no more updates for 7 soon so like previous Windows versions it can then be used as a stand alone system with no intrustion from updates etc though obviously unwise to use for banking & online purchases.

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I carried on using 98 for a long while after MS stopped supporting it, without any problems at all. Even did online banking and purchasing with it. Only really switched to XP because the computer I bought next came loaded with it. I think it was a bootleg copy mind you, but it worked fine. I think Win10 probably will be the last one, as I really don't know how much further they can go with it. People don't tend to use desktops so much anymore, it's all phones and tablets these days. In my opinion 7 was the best o/s, and all further ones were changes for change's sake, except for those using tablets or phones. Win 7 does all I want and more.

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Message posted by Opensauce on 09/10/2017 at 4:52pm
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You can do online banking perfectly well on any obselete & unsupported Windows os. Security could be compromised though & then it is too late. There will always be PCs in offices so there will always be Microsoft os I'm sure. All os need to be upgraded. What Microsoft are claiming is that users will never have to pay for another upgraded os. They will always be able to download it free provided their hardware is up to the job.

This is the difference between Microsoft & Apple. Many different makers of suitable hardware for MS but only apple can make hardware for Apple os so their older devices will no longer support their newer os. Provided one's MS hardware is capable then according to MS claim all upgrades from now on will be free. In fact all upgrades since 7 have been free provided one had 7 to start with.

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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 09/10/2017
If I'm using an android phone or tablet then I'm most likely using it not making modifications to it so I will have no clue what it is using. It is fair to say that my successful use of Windows over the years is due to a small bit of knowledge & understanding. Just good housekeeping. Understanding enough about the system to keep it running smoothly & cleanly. Like a well oiled machine really.

From various threads on here it is fairly plain that some Windows users are not able to understand how to do that small bit of housekeeping to keep their systems running cleanly then other posters come along & say, basically if you cannot cope with even a standard out of the box os then build your own linux os. I can see a flaw in that. Can you?


You don't need to build a Linux os. It all installs and runs automatically and it doesn't need defragging etc. It can even look like windows if you want.
Less virus attacks too.
I use both. My youngest daughter uses mint and she has no problems.


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So are you saying the Ewen that for a user who is not able to do the required housekeeping to keep Windows running properly they should install Linux? Of course you build a Linux os. You do it how you want it it's a hobby. Not everybody wants a hobby they just want a computer.

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Anyone used a Chromebook? Sounds like it might be perfect for OP. (Hate to add further complexity to a well-worn argument!) Try chrome as web browser on your old machine, and if you're happy with it, then it might be a goer.

I'm finding that I do most of my surfing on iPad now; use of laptop is only for more complex stuff like website building.

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I use chrome as my browser now, no idea what a chrome book is. Don't have an ipad.

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Have you got your new Windows lappy yet Mrs B? Take it out of the box. Switch on. Put your wifi password in & away you go...

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Not yet, going to buy one in Northwich one day this week.

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O.H. uses a Chromebook & would never go back to a Windows laptop. A Chromebook seems to me to be able to do anything a laptop can do (for a regular p.c. user, but not anything too techy), with the advantage of really quick boot-up & no need for anti-virus software as everything is done through the cloud ( although I don't pretend to know what that is). The only real downside is that storage is limited, but not necessarily an issue if you use Google's free storage, or store your data on an external drive or usb stick. However printing can only be done wirelessly using a Google Cloud enabled printer ( not all wireless printers are compatible).

I must admit that on the odd occasion when I can't do something on my android tablet, I will borrow her Chromebook rather than start up my Windows 10 laptop, which has been gathering dust for at least 12 months.


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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 11/10/2017
So are you saying the Ewen that for a user who is not able to do the required housekeeping to keep Windows running properly they should install Linux? Of course you build a Linux os. You do it how you want it it's a hobby. Not everybody wants a hobby they just want a computer.

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Have you used Linux in the past ten years? There is no need to compile a Linux distro anymore. They work out of the box. You put in the disk, click install and it does it all. You dont even have to partition and format the disks yourself anymore.It will even have all the basic programs you need installed so no need to go into the repo (software library).
It has all been done for you. I haven't compiled my own Linux system since I used debian in the early noughties. I think you need to actually try a live disk to see what Linux is like now.


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If you aren't used to transferring files, open "You Tube" and in the search box type, "transferring files to new computer".

Open a new tab or window and you can follow, step by step, by pausing YouTube and changing window view on your tabs.

If you haven't bought yet, have a look at www.cclonline.com or www.laptopsdirect.co.uk

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