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Message posted by bri70123 on 27/10/2013 at 10:35pm
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Hi

Could anyone tell me if a scenic II 1.5 DCI would struggle to tow a MIRO 1090 kg / MTPLM 1324 kg caravan, It says in the manual the limit is 1300kg for this car...

I have a 1.9 Megane II would that be better?

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If it states in the manual that the towing limit is 1300 kgs. then the answer is clear that the caravan with an MTPLM of 1324 kg. would be well over weight but you are best to conduct your own match by finding out the kerbweight of the vehicle first then find out what the percentage match is. The same applies with the 1.9 Renault Megane. Once you know the kerbweight you can do the calculation yourself by the use of an online percentage calculator such as the one in the link below.

http://www.percentagecalculator.net/


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sorry ive never had a caravan when you say way over, do you mean 24kg over?

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Yes the 1300kg maximum is just that a maximum not a safe to tow limit either.

A maximum limit that teh car can pull away with on a hill.

The magane will have a 1300kg or less max weight also.

You need a smaller van or a car with a greater towing capacity.

The caravan will probably weigh more than the car also. A BIG NO...

Plus due to the way renault work out the max tow you could be even more over the gross train weight.



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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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Basically when the towing vehicle is the same weight as the caravan that is a classed as a 100% match which realistically is the maximum you are allowed to tow. The ideal safe match is 85% match recommended for novices so when you know the kerb weight of the towing vehicle you can enter it in the percentage calculator and find out what 85% is of that weight. In the second box, if you enter the weight of the car and then the caravan independently it will give you the exact percentage between the two. The 85% recommendation is merely a general guide for safe towing.

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right so i need a heavier vehicle, or lighter caravan, do 'economical' towing cars exist?

I dont wanna drive round in a 20mpg car as i use my car for work and do about 100 miles a day...

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"....right so i need a heavier vehicle, or lighter caravan, do 'economical' towing cars exist?"

Yes, consider current 1.6 Diesel Skoda Octavia.

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Quote: Originally posted by bri70123 on 28/10/2013


right so i need a heavier vehicle, or lighter caravan, do 'economical' towing cars exist?

I dont wanna drive round in a 20mpg car as i use my car for work and do about 100 miles a day...

thanks

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Yes
I get 33 - 35mpg towing with a 2.0TDi, for work use 40-50mpg, solo on a motorway run at 65-70 mph up to 61mpg.





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Message posted by Grampian91 on 28/10/2013 at 11:06pm
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I do mid to high 30's in my Mondeo estate diesel.

1564kg unladen kerbweight. Recent trip from the Midlands to Skegness and back i averaged 57mpg.



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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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right thats great thanks, my kerb weight is 1400 so the ratio is 88% which is just over the 85 limit recommended (afaik) the megane is 93% as it only weighs 1350, if i put the 1.9 engine in the scenic.....   nah ill look for something more suitable, ive looked at skodas before but its finding one that hasnt been a taxi and been to the moon n back.

i was looking on whattowcar.com which compares a caravan to a particular car, but i was looking at the 2011 model of the caravan i was looking at, its MTLMP is over 1500 so i was thinking i needed a gas guzzler to pull it...

thanks again

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Several members tow vans of that weight with MK or MK4 Mondeo diesels.

Its close to 100% of the cars unladen kerbweight though.

So a gas guzzler is not required.

Preferred yes but not essential.



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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

Message posted by bri70123 on 29/10/2013 at 5:31pm
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I definately couldnt justify a 4x4, too high insurance and tax vs rubbish mpg.

Would a peugeot 407 1.6 HDI be suitable, kerb weight 1505kg, the ratio is 84%. A little underpowered? cheap tax, cheapish insurance. Only problem is the max towing capacity says 1300kg does this mean deff no no with the MTLM whatever being 1320kg?

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407 1.6HDI the same problem 1300kg MAXIMUM.

To tow that weight you need to move upto the 2L.



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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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right so 2L +... & 1500kg kerb weight++++ got it... thats great thanks to everyone for the help and advice....

Brian

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Not all cars though....

Some Zafira's have a low towing limit. Citroens and Renaults.



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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

Message posted by ilse12 on 31/10/2013 at 6:24pm
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I have a Scenic 1.5dci and i only tow a camping trailer with it. When we drive to Spain, poor Betsy (the car) really knows that it is pulling something when we are going up and down the hills on the A75. I would not want to tow a caravan with it as you would really struggle on hills.

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