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Message posted by Colin21 on 30/8/2017 at 9:29pm
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Much as I would like to see it, I can't see oil fueled vehicles disappearing any time soon. Cars will almost certainly be the first to go, with probably local buses going next, but until we either change our lifestyle dramatically or find a viable alternative to the large diesel engine, I think diesel powered HGVs and coaches will be with us for decades yet. What other power unit could be fitted in a 40 tonne truck and give it a range of over 400 miles and a top speed of 50 mph+? We are simply far too dependent on the diesel engine.

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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 30/8/2017
Yes you tick the options but those that want just the basic spec and dont want to spend 50k wont be able to buy a car.       Says who ?

You could put a deposit down and just want the basic spec. Then someone much later puts a deposit down and ticks a lot of options then they will get their car long before you. Thats not normal.

So on that theory you go and order a Mondeo Zetec I order a vignale a month after you but I get my car 1st because it's 15k more ???


Difference between the 90bhp Golf and the 105bhp Golf was the red patch in the TDI badge, no other differences.
Not talking about the basic model to the top of the range models. Just where several power options were available.

If i remember correctly the 90bhp had no red, the 105bhp had i in red, 130bhp had Di in red and the 150bhp had TDI in red?

Grampian the cars you talking about are from almost 20 years ago, things have moved on dramatically since then, were talking a luxury car manufacturer here, on the Model s the higher output car is almost 25k more expensive, you ain't just getting a bigger battery and red badge.

Since tesla started making cars 9 years ago all its Range have been ground breaking, were talking luxury backed up by phenomenal speed.

Now they are going head to head with BMW and the company car sector they have advertised a new car at around 30k (USA) I just don't understand why everyone is so negative about it 🤔

If the starting price in the U.K. Is 30k for the base model that's roughly the same price as a top end Mondeo

Let's not forget it's fleetsales that make larger cars more affordable for the 2nd hand market

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You make a good point Bessie, the U.K. has the largest number of fleet cars throughout Europe per capita, maybe the world even.

We change our cars every two years, a small fleet of around 100 cars.

A friend of mine get's his company car changed every 6 months, usually with around 20k miles on the clock.

Like you say, this is good for the used car market.

To my mind the Tesla Model 3 is a no brainer for the fleet market, due to the massive saving in fuel costs, the Hyundi ionic and Chevy Bolt are a close second, but can't match the 310 mile range of the a Tesla M3 and no access to the Supercharger network, although that situation may change.

By the time the Tesla Model 3 arrives into the UK 2019, there will be ample Superchargers around I would have thought.

The Chevy Bollt no doubt will be badged the Opel/Vauxall AmperaE for Europe if and when it arrives.




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I've just been reading the optional extra list, these prices are in dollars

This is taken from auto express

Two core versions of the Tesla Model 3 are being offered from launch, the standard and Long Range models. The standard car comes in at a price of $35,000, that translates as 26,650. The standard Model 3 has a 220-mile range, a 5.6s 0-60mph time and a 130mph top speed but for $44,000 (33,500) you can have the Long Range model. That car ups the ante with an official range of 310 miles, a 5.1s 0-60mph time and a 140mph top speed.

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Other options packages will also add significantly to the Model 3's price. A $5,000 package upgrades the interior to something more in keeping with luxury car standards. It costs another $1,500 if you want 19" wheels instead of the standard 18" wheels, $1,000 for a color other than black, and $5,000 to activate Autopilot. An extra $3,000 will unlock "full self-driving" capabilities -- once regulators give the green light.

Many of these options you wouldnt touch with a bargepole, Maybe paint interior and wheels, these add 5800 to the price and are not far out from extra's with other manufactures.

As with other tesla's this is a very fast car that will leave most cars saloon cars standing even in the basic form, so for me i dont see the value in the bigger battery.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 31/8/2017

To my mind the Tesla Model 3 is a no brainer for the fleet market, due to the massive saving in fuel costs, the Hyundi ionic and Chevy Bolt are a close second, but can't match the 310 mile range of the a Tesla M3 and no access to the Supercharger network, although that situation may change.

By the time the Tesla Model 3 arrives into the UK 2019, there will be ample Superchargers around

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No brainier for fleet market! How wrong can you be.

I worked for a large Government department for 34 years, with a huge fleet of vehicles, and I mean HUGE, I was one of those users. At least half of that fleet needed to tow, from small single axle trailers up to multi axle boat and mobile workshop trailers, the Tesla 3 would be as much use as a chocolate fireguard. A no, no brainer, totally useless.

I would be a little more concerned about the fact the the "Supercharger" network is for Tesla only! Is your vision in the next 20 years for everyone to be driving a Tesla.......God help us.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 31/8/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 31/8/2017

To my mind the Tesla Model 3 is a no brainer for the fleet market, due to the massive saving in fuel costs, the Hyundi ionic and Chevy Bolt are a close second, but can't match the 310 mile range of the a Tesla M3 and no access to the Supercharger network, although that situation may change.

By the time the Tesla Model 3 arrives into the UK 2019, there will be ample Superchargers around

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No brainier for fleet market! How wrong can you be.

I worked for a large Government department for 34 years, with a huge fleet of vehicles, and I mean HUGE, I was one of those users. At least half of that fleet needed to tow, from small single axle trailers up to multi axle boat and mobile workshop trailers, the Tesla 3 would be as much use as a chocolate fireguard. A no, no brainer, totally useless.

I would be a little more concerned about the fact the the "Supercharger" network is for Tesla only! Is your vision in the next 20 years for everyone to be driving a Tesla.......God help us.



Your right mike no good for towing large boats and workshops, i would imagine that these were towed behind commercial vehicles and vans, not executive cars

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Hi Mike, I guess that you are referring to the more commercial fleet market, for which you make a valid point.

But I would argue for the vast majority of the fleet car market, there is very little requirement for towing.

Anyways we are yet to have confirmed the towing capabilities of the Tesla Model 3, all that we know is that it will be capable of having a tow hitch receiver, although that does not nessasaraly mean it will be able to tow anything, the hitch receiver may just be for mounting some kind of carrier maybe for bikes etc.

That would of course be a jip, and I would be surprised if that was to be the case.

As for everyone driving a Tesla, that won't happen but the sharing of Tesla superchargers will, Tesla has already reached out to other manufacturers with a view to sharing the network, but none as yet have responded, I guess that's down to pride though.

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 31/8/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 31/8/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 31/8/2017

To my mind the Tesla Model 3 is a no brainer for the fleet market, due to the massive saving in fuel costs, the Hyundi ionic and Chevy Bolt are a close second, but can't match the 310 mile range of the a Tesla M3 and no access to the Supercharger network, although that situation may change.

By the time the Tesla Model 3 arrives into the UK 2019, there will be ample Superchargers around

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No brainier for fleet market! How wrong can you be.

I worked for a large Government department for 34 years, with a huge fleet of vehicles, and I mean HUGE, I was one of those users. At least half of that fleet needed to tow, from small single axle trailers up to multi axle boat and mobile workshop trailers, the Tesla 3 would be as much use as a chocolate fireguard. A no, no brainer, totally useless.

I would be a little more concerned about the fact the the "Supercharger" network is for Tesla only! Is your vision in the next 20 years for everyone to be driving a Tesla.......God help us.



Your right mike no good for towing large boats and workshops, i would imagine that these were towed behind commercial vehicles and vans, not executive cars

Bessie





Anything used by a Field Officer had to tow at least 750kg, but yes, larger 4x4 vehicles and vans were used to tow the bigger stuff. Although, much to my disgust, I was made to have a Ford Mondeo, and regularly towed around much heavier trailers. Nothing wrong with the Mondeo, great car in fact, but not really suitable for what I had to do, but someone sat on their backside in an office in Bristol decided that was what I needed.

However EV technology has a long, long way to go before a vehicle is produced than can replace a larger 4x4 pick up type vehicle that can tow 3.5tonne up and down hills over a decent distance. ICE engines and traditional filling stations are going to be with us for some time yet.

Guys, you must understand that not all fleet vehicles are driven by shiney arses in suits, many of then need to do much more and be far more versatile.

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Charging stations should all be universal, Absolutely stupid not to.

I think there is a link in this thread to a site with charging station info and a LOT of the comments are the chargers were not working at that location.
Reported previously and still not fixed.

When pricing the model 3 your converting $ to and it just wont work like that. Its going to be a 40k car minimum and more likely to cost 50k with the only chance of a price drop is when another mainstream manufacturer give us something similar for a lot less money.

Although all early adopters will be paying a premium.

Just think of the "lucky" person that gets a Focus EV for their company car . No giggling at the back




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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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Yep Mike, it is quite an irony that the extra 200 or so service vehicles that Tesla has added to it's already burgeoning service fleet, are of course ice vehicles.

Kinda says it all really.

Due to the demand on the already over stretched Tesla sevice centres, Tesla are doing home/office service visits for the more routine stuff.

The firm I work for has around 100 fleet vehicles, and the main contractor that we work for has well over 10,000 fleet vehicles world wide that is, all as you describe driven by shiney arses in suits, although these days you are more likley to see staff in jeans and a "T" Shirt, remember this is 2017!

For all those staff the Tesla Model 3 would be perfect, as most are driving VW Golfs, and those higher up the food chain have chosen the Mitsubushi Plug in Hybrid, no one tows as part of there job.

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When pricing the model 3 your converting $ to and it just wont work like that. Its going to be a 40k car minimum and more likely to cost 50k with the only chance of a price drop is when another mainstream manufacturer give us something similar for a lot less money.

Grampian i've posted the prices above ??i still dont know were your getting 50k from, funny i costed up a top of the range mondeo before 35k bmw 3 series 2 ltr good spec 40k, if a tesla comes in at 40k for a good spec car thats around the same price as a BMW 3 series and only 5k more than a Mondeo

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It's almost as though all the other car makers were fast asleep, not noticing what a Tesla has been upto for the last 15 years.

Now all of a sudden, they have woken up and the race is on to make a decent EV.

I wonder if that new Ford Focus EV is more to do with compliance than actually producing a car that is going to sell well.

At least Nissan, Hyundi and GM seem to be trying to catch up with a Tesla.

But I think they are all to late, and once Tesla get to producing 5000 cars per week, by the end of the year, they will be the go to EV car of choice for those interested.

Even Brexit may help Tesla to be even more competive in the UK come 2019.


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