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Message posted by bessie500 on 21/9/2017 at 11:36pm
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Mass in service is defined under The European Directive 95/48/EC which includes 90% fuel and 75kg for driver and tools. As it is an EU wide directive one must assume the DVLA use the same definition shown on the V5. It is generally assumed by most that kerb weight is the same.29 Jun 2012

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Fine in theory, except the advertised weights and the weights shown on the V5 do not match the actual weights shown on the statutory weight plate on the ASX.

Then when you add the fact that my Bailey has a non-statutory weight sticker on the side that does not match the statutory weight plate in the gas locker, it all becomes a bit of a mess.

Not an issue for me as both statutory plates have a weight 70kg higher than advertised, so it balances out.

However, I do agree with BJ that some cars advertising a 2000kg towing limit do not seem sensible given the actual size and weight of the car. I certainly would not consider a 2000kg caravan with an Outlander for instance.

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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 22/9/2017
Fine in theory, except the advertised weights and the weights shown on the V5 do not match the actual weights shown on the statutory weight plate on the ASX.

Then when you add the fact that my Bailey has a non-statutory weight sticker on the side that does not match the statutory weight plate in the gas locker, it all becomes a bit of a mess.

Not an issue for me as both statutory plates have a weight 70kg higher than advertised, so it balances out.

However, I do agree with BJ that some cars advertising a 2000kg towing limit do not seem sensible given the actual size and weight of the car. I certainly would not consider a 2000kg caravan with an Outlander for instance.



Absolutely right! It beats me why the caravan club who are stalwarts for the 85% guide vote a yeti or a Dacia duster "tow car of the year" when if you apply the 85% rule there are not many family sized caravans they can tow. I guess the manufacturers actually grease the palm of the CC in some way.


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And having towed with an outlander I can confirm that towing anything more than 1600kg single axle would be a bad idea and a 2000kg caravan of any sort just not safe or viable. I say it over and over but the towing limit set by the manufacturers is not for a caravan and not at 60mph. Just what they can hill start with. Some disagree though.

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Quote: Originally posted by Baileyjake on 22/9/2017


Absolutely right! It beats me why the caravan club who are stalwarts for the 85% guide vote a yeti or a Dacia duster "tow car of the year" when if you apply the 85% rule there are not many family sized caravans they can tow. I guess the manufacturers actually grease the palm of the CC in some way.




Even worse, how can a car like the Dacia Duster with only a 3 star NCAP rating even be considered in the first place?

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I wish everyone would forget about the 85% dinosaur , its not a rule, its a guid for first timers, also all manufacturers, have made their vehicles lighter, but improved their engines so I now go by the manufactures max towing weights minus around 20%
As an example if a manufacturer states a max of 1800KG , any van below 1600KG will tow just fine

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Boab, avid readers will know that playing by your 'rules' you have been ever so slightly(coughs) off with your towcar/caravan matching service.

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I wouldn't say the 85% rule is a dinosaur.. It's pure simple physics, car and caravan going down a hill, car and caravan have an argument and decide they want to go their separate ways. car is lighter than caravan . Wonder who wins . My money would be on the caravan.

There is actually a bigger problem which has been developing over a number of years cars are being made with smaller engines and made lighter to boost fuel economy and emission figures. Caravan on the other hand aren't really getting any lighter. And now with the push for electric cars are we seeing the end of caravaning.



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It isn't a rule.

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Correct it's not legislation nor is it enforceable, it's guidance and good guidance at that. To be honest I couldn't give a monkey if folk agree with it it or not. That's their problem but ignorance is no excuse.

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Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 25/9/2017
I wish everyone would forget about the 85% dinosaur , its not a rule, its a guid for first timers, also all manufacturers, have made their vehicles lighter, but improved their engines so I now go by the manufactures max towing weights minus around 20%
As an example if a manufacturer states a max of 1800KG , any van below 1600KG will tow just fine



It's each to their own here. The law says up to the manufacturers limit, which is not necessarily for caravans. A short utility trailer loaded with sand is going to behave differently to a long tall and wide single axle caravan. Also the distances and speeds are different for small trailers. If you guys want to tow at 120% and the limit on your car allows it then feel at liberty to do so. All I know is that the reality is towing a single axle anywhere near 100% is quite stressful. And towing at 70% is not.



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Quote: Originally posted by Baileyjake on 25/9/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 25/9/2017
I wish everyone would forget about the 85% dinosaur , its not a rule, its a guid for first timers, also all manufacturers, have made their vehicles lighter, but improved their engines so I now go by the manufactures max towing weights minus around 20%
As an example if a manufacturer states a max of 1800KG , any van below 1600KG will tow just fine



It's each to their own here. The law says up to the manufacturers limit, which is not necessarily for caravans. A short utility trailer loaded with sand is going to behave differently to a long tall and wide single axle caravan. Also the distances and speeds are different for small trailers. If you guys want to tow at 120% and the limit on your car allows it then feel at liberty to do so. All I know is that the reality is towing a single axle anywhere near 100% is quite stressful. And towing at 70% is not

Baileyjake you’re on a hiding to nothing, he'll never learn and will always give poor advice.

Best of it is he doesn’t practice what he preaches; he's always towed a lightweight van with a lightweight car.
Last i heard was his van was in Cornwall and he lives in Scotland


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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 25/9/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Baileyjake on 25/9/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 25/9/2017
I wish everyone would forget about the 85% dinosaur , its not a rule, its a guid for first timers, also all manufacturers, have made their vehicles lighter, but improved their engines so I now go by the manufactures max towing weights minus around 20%
As an example if a manufacturer states a max of 1800KG , any van below 1600KG will tow just fine



It's each to their own here. The law says up to the manufacturers limit, which is not necessarily for caravans. A short utility trailer loaded with sand is going to behave differently to a long tall and wide single axle caravan. Also the distances and speeds are different for small trailers. If you guys want to tow at 120% and the limit on your car allows it then feel at liberty to do so. All I know is that the reality is towing a single axle anywhere near 100% is quite stressful. And towing at 70% is not

Baileyjake you’re on a hiding to nothing, he'll never learn and will always give poor advice.

Best of it is he doesn’t practice what he preaches; he's always towed a lightweight van with a lightweight car.
Last i heard was his van was in Cornwall and he lives in Scotland


Bessie



Ha Ha i was aiming my comments at the OP. i have seen some crazy outfits on the road, some must be illegal i am sure. i know i wont change Bobs opinion. sure its possible to tow a caravan up to the cars maximum its just a problem when:

- you have to change down into 3rd on the motorway and cause an obstruction to the HGVs
- your car throws in the towel on your way to your holiday and you have to be recovered (how many broken down cars and caravans have you seen before)
- you Cr*p your pants when you get hit by a side wind
- you end up with a car facing the wrong direction on the motorway and your pride and joy ends up as a pile of match wood.



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