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Message posted by Gimpymoo on 18/8/2016 at 6:22pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Whimp on 18/8/2016
If your scared of camping, go to a hotel.

You have a pretty large tent which is not really shaped for the wind. Other than standing sideways to the wind flow.

I like shelter, then again :P



I am not scared of camping, but the practicalities of pitching in those conditions alone do not seem the best.

The site just a field, only shelter are the 2 edges you see with neither being very high.

You are right though, even with "bum end" to the wind.. the tent still takes a pounding.

Quote: Originally posted by SGThomas on 18/8/2016
Try to watch someone else pitch first. They will obviously put it back to the wind. Once their tent is fully erected, the wind will, of course, change direction.

You can then put up with back to the new direction of the wind.



Soo true.

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Quote: Originally posted by Whimp on 18/8/2016
If your scared of camping, go to a hotel.




A little harsh!
Not sure anyone has admitted to being scared. Maybe worried about trashing their tent... understandably. None of us know how accurate the forecast will prove, until we get there.
Last weekend was proof of that.

We arrived at our pitch last Friday to heavy wind with severe gusts. Literally on the next pitch, the couple that had already laid out their footprint, and pegged out their tent corners (still flat on the ground, with poles threaded in readiness), were now sat in their car, waiting for a calmer window.
We also spent some time sat in the car, contemplating whether to risk it or not. 3 hours after our arrival, our neighbours had packed everything away, and headed home, defeated by the wind, but with all gear safe and intact.
On this occasion, by this time, we were sat snug in our tent, glad we had gone for it... but how 5hit would we have felt had it gone wrong, with an expensive repair bill to boot, whilst our sensible neighbours were sat at home knowing full well they had a perfectly good tent to try again another time!

As they drove off, they didn't look scared to me... just defeated and disappointed!

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Just been re-reading this topic and its' suggestions and advice as we are moving sites on Sunday to Mannix Point, Cahersiveen in the Ring of Kerry where the forecast is for high winds and even higher gusts of max. 39 to last until 8:00am Monday and then much quieter.

Last year we had gusts of about 50 last year in Shropshire when bridges and roads got closed. The tent did its job and stayed put but it wasn't very pleasant and we very nearly went home. Even though we have a SIG not a lot stayed put and couldn't put anything on tables etc..

Even if we stay here (Killarney) one more night there are still high gusts of wind albeit not quite so high. Have had two respected UK campers advice and we will discuss it. The owner of the site is, himself, a camper and will be used to the conditions, so I am sure he will also advise.

We always say the first weather condition we do not want is wind and the second rain. It's just not pleasant one iota.

Thank you sceptical camper - when conditions are forecast for high wind it's good to know your article is here and we can just remind ourselves.

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P.s. No, I won't be scared but I won't enjoy it and there will be a lot of #ecking (we are in Ireland) and Oooooo 5hit. Plus not sure how the dog will cope - loves camping - such high winds in a tent not sure.

talking of wind ......it's getting up again......here we go ..........we're at the top of the big lake so we do get the worst of the wind I believe

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I have the vango da Vinci 500, think its made for decathlon, it looks like the Icarus. It has internal straps that make a v shape. Their literature states traditional v shapes cope better with wind and these straps are supposed to take the stress of wind off the tunnel poles. I am not sure if this idea/consept could be added to other tunnels? Ours withstood side to the wind on a Welsh clifftop very well. As summer storms seems to be getting more common I think every camper needs to be wind aware

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Quote: Originally posted by Whimp on 18/8/2016
If your scared of camping, go to a hotel.


Tongue in cheek, because clearly anyone who frequents a camping site is not going to be scared of those creepy crawlies. :)

Wind is one of those things that can be planned for to a certain extent, with the correct choice of tent, which can itself be harder than you think. Manufacturers always like to big up the virtues, whilst ignoring other points. The only times I have seen tent manufacturers make claims about how sturdy a tent is in the wind, is when it comes to the more specialized tents.
They do tend to think in terms of hydro-static head and ignore the fact that this is a pretty useless measure in a gale force wind with the tent acting like a wet sleeping bag wrapped around you.

Just out of interest, how do you measure the wind speed when visiting a site ? Is it just down to your experience with your tent ? and if so, if you have never had it up in a high wind, how would you know if it can weather the storm ? :)

Maybe the couple who sat in their car knew that their tent could weather the wind once it was erected, but putting it up was not easy.

Quote: Originally posted by sam7hh on 09/9/2016
It has internal straps that make a v shape. Their literature states traditional v shapes cope better with wind and these straps are supposed to take the stress of wind off the tunnel poles. I am not sure if this idea/consept could be added to other tunnels?



A good idea and one in which house roofs can stand against gale force winds without buckling, although retrofitting would be quite difficult I would imagine without compromising the waterproofing of the tent.


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We made a terrible mistake last week in windy weather. One we have learned the hard way from.
The weather last Saturday in Woolacombe stated 45mph winds so we went round & double checked all the pegging points & guylines, made sure all pegs were firm into the ground, plugged in the Vango tensions bands, and felt we'd done as much as we could to secure the tent.
The mistake we made was leaving the concertina kitchen stand in the porch, albeit with a tarp bbq cover over it for protection.
We went out for a few hours only to return to a missing tarp cover, the concertina kitchen stand upright as we'd pegged that down too, but a huge rip in the porch where the wind had blown the tent into the kitchen stand & pulled it.
We were gutted!!
In future we will make sure nothing is left outside or inside the tent that could cause any damage.

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One of the reasons I've refused to buy a tent with an open porch :(

Sorry to hear about the accident - lessons learnt are often either painful or expensive.

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Quote: Originally posted by Whimp on 09/9/2016

... Wind is one of those things that can be planned for to a certain extent, with the correct choice of tent, which can itself be harder than you think. Manufacturers always like to big up the virtues, whilst ignoring other points. The only times I have seen tent manufacturers make claims about how sturdy a tent is in the wind, is when it comes to the more specialized tents.
They do tend to think in terms of hydro-static head and ignore the fact that this is a pretty useless measure in a gale force wind with the tent acting like a wet sleeping bag wrapped around you.

Just out of interest, how do you measure the wind speed when visiting a site ? Is it just down to your experience with your tent ? and if so, if you have never had it up in a high wind, how would you know if it can weather the storm ? :)

Maybe the couple who sat in their car knew that their tent could weather the wind once it was erected, but putting it up was not easy.





Sorry, Whimpers... Just spotted this (was away on Hols when you posted).

Used to guess wind speeds/believe everything I read on weather forecasts etc.
As we needed to get an Anemometer for work, I splashed out and bought two... with the company credit card, of course!
Naturally, the safest place for the spare is in my camping box!

From that previously mentioned Friday, and the anemometer's debut...



Top line (22.1) is current wind speed (mph). Second line (51.0) is max (so gust, in essence) since it was switched on (2 mins prior, in this particular case). Bottom line (unreadable!!) is temperature. No excuse for exceedingly poor pic though! Sorry!


Must say, I think you are bang on with your theory re the other couple.

We've had serious damage to a previous polycoton 3 x poled tent (c. 90 repair) when taking down in around 40mph gusts, after it had stood like a rock all weekend. Luckily, it was all stitching, as opposed to actual ripped material, so the repair proved perfect.

... And back to this same weekend, when the neighbours aborted, and we stayed... Our tent is "Hurricane proof"... that's 70+ mph... but we struggled like **ck to actually get it to stand up. Once we did, and secured the guys, it obviously stood proud and strong, but it was hard work to get it stood and secure. The saving grace for us was that it is an inflatable... and a high end inflatable at that, so whilst one tube kept collapsing (whilst trying to pitch it up), we had no worries about anything actually getting broken, or ripped.

I truly believe that, had we had a tent with poles, as our previously damaged tent had, (and steel (or alloy?) at that), we'd have joined our neighbours, and headed home (ours of course... not theirs, we didn't know them!!)

I think from memory, they had fibreglass/flexi poles of some sort. Personally, I reckon they made the right decision to pack up, and keep their tent safe for another day!




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Quote: Originally posted by Mummymills on 09/9/2016
We made a terrible mistake last week in windy weather. One we have learned the hard way from.
The weather last Saturday in Woolacombe stated 45mph winds so we went round & double checked all the pegging points & guylines, made sure all pegs were firm into the ground, plugged in the Vango tensions bands, and felt we'd done as much as we could to secure the tent.
The mistake we made was leaving the concertina kitchen stand in the porch, albeit with a tarp bbq cover over it for protection.
We went out for a few hours only to return to a missing tarp cover, the concertina kitchen stand upright as we'd pegged that down too, but a huge rip in the porch where the wind had blown the tent into the kitchen stand & pulled it.
We were gutted!!
In future we will make sure nothing is left outside or inside the tent that could cause any damage.





Some might say just move the cooker stand to the middle, away from the walls... not me though, as I've seen just how some of these flexi-poled open canopies can move...

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Agree with every thing you say Keicar.
As a camping returnee our new Vango Icarus with awning got tested this October when a storm blew over Mullion and we were pitched side on to it
We endured 35 KPH winds, gusting at 56 KPH with heavy rain for 5 hours. I had invested in some extra pegs to supplement the ones supplied so was able to double peg and even triple peg where necessary. We were pitched on a sandy turf pitch so ventured out twice to check and re peg where needed. The rib stiffening bands really do stiffen the tent.
I understand the conventional wisdom is to drive pegs in at a 45% inwards to the tent. But my observation is that the top part of the pegs can then cut a grove in the surface and allowing the peg to cut more as the guys pull it back and fro. Cutting a groove in the ground and coming loose.
Any one got any observations on the best way to fix tent pegs?

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Guys out as far as poss from the tent. Pegs approx. 90 degrees from the guyline, but they really must be knocked right in, as deep as they'll go. In really soft ground, there is no harm in pummelling the peg head below ground level! Let that mallet cause a "crater", as it buries the peg head, if need be!
Having a good couple of inch or so of peg sticking up above ground level only gives it more leverage, and more opportunity to be pulled by the guy, cutting that groove you mention, and eventually being pulled up and out! In really soft ground, the wider the peg, the better.

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Thanks for the tips. I'm pretty much doing all that anyway. really did hammer the pegs down a good half inch the ground was so soft. took a lot of digging with the geology hammer I use to dig some of them out.
Got some right angled flat pegs, new innovation to me but they are excellent.


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