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Message posted by hankakampa on 05/1/2014 at 12:15pm
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so there i was thinking id like the 2012 bear lake 4.
reasons? :-

the concorde is way too big for a weekend tent.

the trout lake 4 is a nice weekend tent but just a bit cosy space wise once youve got cooking equipment, chairs etc inside it. because the front extension is open ended, for weather protection, i like to keep things inside the tent and use the extension for sitting relaxing or eating under.

so wanted to buy something in between and saw the bear lake 4 tent 2012 model with flat front on it. just like the trout lake but 1 panel longer in the living area and also the flat front so maximising internal useable space. the bear lake 4 up to 2012 also has the horizontal support roof poles which really do help to keep the tent stable in windy conditions - and i really like that.

so then i looked at ebay and saw one for sale.

i emailed the seller and asked what colour the bedroom curtains / doors were - the green stripes indicates the later model around 2012.

he replied and said green check pattern - so i thought fine, ill make an offer which was accepted - price of 325.00 which i think is very reasonable for this tent.

i drove from scotland to manchester to pick it up as the seller was unwilling to pack it up for a courier which i was happy to arrange and pay for to go and collect it.
but he said its cash on collection only, he hasnt got time in his busy life to weigh and pack anything.

anyways, having friends in manchester i decided to go pick it up.

i rang him when i was a few miles away to say im on approach and should be there in about 20 mins or so.

he said to me, dont ring the doorbell, as iv got 2 dogs and they ll start barking - so that was okies - i just rang his mobile on arrival and he let me in the back gate and into the kitchen where he pulled the 2 tent bags out.

he offered me a coffee which was kind after the long journey. met the 2 doggies which were lovely and docile and friendly - not a yap from either of them!.

he then pulled out the main tent of the bag to show me, it looked in excellent condition, as did the poles, the peg bag, the doormat - it was all there and so i handed over the cash and he helped carry the pole bag out for me and i carried the tent.

i then drove to my friends place and stayed overnight after dinner and catching up.

last night i drove home and unpacked the main tent and in it was the inner tent.

i opened the inner tent and discovered the bedroom curtains / doors are not green check at all - they are the older grey coloured doors/curtains.

what would you do?

im really disappointed about this. first of all the green curtains make a real difference to the feel of the tent, but more importantly, they reflect that its a 2012 model tent. the grey curtains really go back a long way so this tent could be any number of years old.

i dont know what to do.

any thoughts anyone?

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Hi there

We have a 2012 BL4 and the inner fronts have green stripes, curtains are plain green.

Hope this helps!

 


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Hankers,
With the evidence given (not familiar with this tent, myself) It does seem you have the older model, and even to the extent that the seller may have possibly deliberately misinformed you (Re the bedroom colours).
However, taking into account the whole experience, the quality and most importantly, the condition of the tent, ONLY YOU can decide whether you are still happy with what you have, for what you paid! (You already knew that, of course! )

Personally, I'd slap the back of my own hand, consider checking things more thoroughly next time, and get on with enjoying what I have. I'm very much a "Life's too short" kind o' guy, and I'd imagine any complaints/requests for a refund/rebate etc to be nothing short of hassle!

Get out in it, enjoy it, and put it down to a slightly less than perfect experience.

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It's a difficult one Hankakampa, did you ask the seller how old the tent was? Did the advert state how old it was?

I think if you did and he has mis informed you then I would ask the seller to take it back.

If he didn't, and the advert didn't say either, then it's less clear.

Either way, nothing to lose telling the seller and seeing if he offers to take it back.

Hope it works out

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It is possible the seller had forgotten what colour the curtains were...he was a man after all!

I would erect the tent and have a good look at it. Spray some water on it if you are lucky enough for it not to be raining. If the water runs off in droplets then that indicates the outer silicone and UV coating is still intact and the tent probably won't have seen much use. If it is in very good condition elsewhere then forget how old it might be and enjoy.

If the water doesn't form droplets and run off, but seems to soak into the material then the tent will have seen quite a lot of use. It should still be waterproof inside, and you could spray the outside with Nikwax or Fabsil to reproof and protect the outside again.

Depending how it was described in the listing or what he may have said regarding the age/use when you questioned him (you did question him didn't you?) you may have a case for requesting a partial refund or even a full refund if you are willing to return it to him.

It seems an awful lot of money for a second hand tent but if you had been happy with it then perhaps the price is irrelevant.

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Hi Hanka
If you look inside the bed pod there should be a small tag with the date of manufacture on it.

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at arsenaldes

theres the fire warning tag on the right side of the inner tent - it says OA09 and also bs5576 1998

so it looks like its possibly a 2009 tent.

at bob61 - iv had a good look at the tent and the inner tent and its all absolutely immaculately clean - theres no signs of use anywhere on it.

your comment that it is a lot of money to pay for a 2nd hand tent - you do know these were around the 700 - 900 mark when bought new? and that the current model sells around the 800 ish mark?

i thought 325 was reasonable for a 2nd hand model? - have a looky at ebay - they do hold their price 2nd hand rather well. which is why i was keen on this one.


at mucker - i think your advice is sound - i cant be bothered to drive all the way back to manchester - cost of 70.00 in diesel alone plus i actually like this tent very much, i just wanted to have the later model green bedroom pod.

at thegibbo4 - erm thanks for that! lol - i was aware the 2012 model has the green stripes bedrooms curtains and green sides - thats what i wanted too, but thanks anyways for reading my post -)

im just going to keep the tent now and use it asap to check its all okies - fingers crossed lol

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Quote: Originally posted by hankakampa on 05/1/2014

at bob61 - iv had a good look at the tent and the inner tent and its all absolutely immaculately clean - theres no signs of use anywhere on it.

your comment that it is a lot of money to pay for a 2nd hand tent - you do know these were around the 700 - 900 mark when bought new? and that the current model sells around the 800 ish mark?

i thought 325 was reasonable for a 2nd hand model? - have a looky at ebay - they do hold their price 2nd hand rather well. which is why i was keen on this one.




Glad to hear the inside is immaculately clean. That may suggest it hasn't had a lot of use then.

With regards to the price of new ones, I am astounded! Having looked online some of them are for sale at over 1000. Do people actually pay that sort of money for a tent? The last time I bought a new tent, which was in 2009, I paid 135 and that was more than I had ever spent on a tent before...an Outwell Carolina 3.

I have just bought a 2013 Coleman Da Gama 6 which was a display model and has required reproofing but the inside is also immaculate. I paid 35 plus 10 postage. It took 3 cans of Fabsil (about 21) so a total of 67. However, a new one of those is only 200-400 depending where you buy it.

I guess the new Outwells must have gold plated guy ropes!

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at bob 61...

Do people pay that much for a tent?

http://www.attwoolls.co.uk/Tents-By-Brand/Cabanon-Tents/Cabanon-Awaya-440.html





http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-en-kamperen/kamperen-tenten/m762725218-oppompbare-karsten-tent-3-25-staalgrijs-blauw-2012.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr



A new Karsten tent system comprising the larger main pod, connecting tunnels, connecting doors, sleeping / eating pods and front extension, storm door and canopy can easily run to about 5000.00 ( five thousand pounds )

So 325 is rather cheap in comparison!


as a btw, my concorde L was 1,400.00 - so i guess some do! ugh lol

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Quote: Originally posted by hankakampa on 06/1/2014
at bob 61...

Do people pay that much for a tent?

http://www.attwoolls.co.uk/Tents-By-Brand/Cabanon-Tents/Cabanon-Awaya-440.html





http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-en-kamperen/kamperen-tenten/m762725218-oppompbare-karsten-tent-3-25-staalgrijs-blauw-2012.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr



A new Karsten tent system comprising the larger main pod, connecting tunnels, connecting doors, sleeping / eating pods and front extension, storm door and canopy can easily run to about 5000.00 ( five thousand pounds )

So 325 is rather cheap in comparison!


as a btw, my concorde L was 1,400.00 - so i guess some do! ugh lol

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Bob, a few on here have the

Outwell Yosemite Falls at around the 2k mark!

1k tents could almost be described as "rather popular" amongst this forums members.
Still a bargain for some large families, who may get half a dozen or more main summer holidays out of them.

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Have a look here Bob Holtkamper, although you might want to sit down first.....

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GEESH!!

The tent manufacturers are taking the P aren't they? Still, I guess when you have money to throw around there is always someone to catch it. If nobody paid that sort of money they would probably sell them for 300 and still make a profit!

I am sure they are good tents but are they really worth thousands of pounds? What makes them better than a 300 jobbie? Beats me.

I'll wait until they have an ex display model for 35 - lol

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Ha, Ha, Bob!
You and I both know it's a classic case of "each to their own"!

I'm with you, to an extent (no pun intended) in that I doubt I'll ever pay 2k or more for a tent.
As nice as it is, is The Yosemite 2.5 times better than my tent? I'd say not... for me, at least!
Same goes for the Dutch variants, most of which are "proper" cotton canvas, as opposed to my mixed polyester/cotton mongrel!. Beautiful tents, it has to be said, but they're not in a price range I'd be comfortable with matching!

On the other side of the coin (or credit card bill!!), knowing what I know now, I'd consider both of my current tents to be at least 3x better than my first tent (A tent that was, and still is, considered an excellent, and extremely popular tent, and one that can be seen in infinite numbers on camp sites UK wide, so by no means a "poor tent"), and yet, only the (considerably) larger of my current tents cost approx 3x my first. The one of similar size (to the aforementioned popular tent) cost approx 20% more (but remains 3x "better", remember!!)

The great thing about camping, as with life, is that we all have differing opinions, and we all set ourselves different standards.... and limits!

So Bob, with the above in mind, and with your signature ringing loudly in my ears, I'll finish with....

"I expect you're right, Bob"!

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ROFL...I am tempted to say the tents may well be beautiful but are you going to stand looking at it or are you going to camp in it?

...but I won't

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Quote: Originally posted by hankakampa on 06/1/2014 at bob 61...

Do people pay that much for a tent?

http://www.attwoolls.co.uk/Tents-By-Brand/Cabanon-Tents/Cabanon-Awaya-440.html




http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/caravans-en-kamperen/kamperen-tenten/m762725218-oppompbare-karsten-tent-3-25-staalgrijs-blauw-2012.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr



A new Karsten tent system comprising the larger main pod, connecting tunnels, connecting doors, sleeping / eating pods and front extension, storm door and canopy can easily run to about 5000.00 ( five thousand pounds )

So 325 is rather cheap in comparison!


as a btw, my concorde L was 1,400.00 - so i guess some do! ugh lol

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Errrr, yeah. Sort of just paid 4250 on my new Karsten setup (350 & 300 plus awnings).

Just DO NOT tell the wife. Or my dad, he'd disown me.



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Quote: Originally posted by Bob61 on 06/1/2014
GEESH!!

The tent manufacturers are taking the P aren't they? Still, I guess when you have money to throw around there is always someone to catch it. If nobody paid that sort of money they would probably sell them for 300 and still make a profit!

I am sure they are good tents but are they really worth thousands of pounds? What makes them better than a 300 jobbie? Beats me.

I'll wait until they have an ex display model for 35 - lol



bob - whatever you buy, whether it be a tent, a food mixer, a car, a bed, a suit, a house ... etc etc

there are prices from the bottom end ( cheap ) to the top end and everything in between!.

you pays your money and takes your choice - something for all price pockets and desires.

would you look at a new Bentley car and see the 200,000.00 price ticket and go -

" Geesh - Bentley are taking the P arent they? If nobody paid that sort of money for them they would sell them for 20,000.00 and still make a profit! i am sure they are good cars but are they really worth hundreds of thousands of pounds? what makes them better than a 20,000.00 jobbie? beats me "


well like cars, tents have their price points and qualities. certain manufacturers are at the top of the league and certain ones are further down.

just like just about anything you can buy from tv's to fridges to cars to bikes to furniture to etc etc.

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