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Message posted by mikemorrow on 11/1/2014 at 8:38pm
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You with US tents me with UK tents. Kind of funny. I always like the Hubba Hubba. I just found the fly first made more since to me.
Out here condensation is always a problem all year round. Out of 30 - 40 trips a year only a hand full of nights with out any at all. So venting is very important for me. Plus I have found 1500 mm HH just enough for summer use. Winter better have 3000 or greater. My TNF would start to leak after 4 days of hard rain.
Looks like we both have the seasons covered with our choice of tents.
I moved out to Oregon 5 years ago. I love it out here. We have such a wide variety of climates. On the coast it is many micro climates. If waking on the beach and a cool breeze comes up one just needs to go over a fore-dune. The temp can be 15 degrees warmer and you are out of the wind. Of coarse we have desert in the east, Mountains, the valley for cities and farming, the coastal range. Then the coast with rocky bluffs dropping straight into the sea, to the sand dunes of my area.
I'm sounding like an Oregon visitor brochure. LOL

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Message posted by spiritburner on 11/1/2014 at 9:08pm
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Sounds idyllic!

TNF stuff can be a bit hit & miss in my opinion & others I've spoken too. But when they get it right it's up there with the best.

I prefer all in one pitching. With all in one you have to be real anal about packing not to get the inner wet from condensation on the fly but it's never been a hassle for me - always looks worse than it is when the inner gets wet. Mop up the worse of it if required with a Buff & get on with it. Same with inner first in our wet climate. Even if the inner gets wet it will shrug off most of any rain while you pitch & anything that does soak through isn't going to present any issues.

Even with all vents open I was never happy with the amount of condensation in the Akto. My mate dubbed it the 'Swedish Dew Trap'. The Hubba Hubba HP is better although it gets some criticism this side of the pond due to fly hem being quite high of the ground, letting the wind through. I've only had it a year. If that becomes a problem for me I'll just switch into the m
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Message posted by mikemorrow on 12/1/2014 at 5:20pm
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I have found that there are two thoughts on tents. Over here a tent isn't to retain a whole lot of heat. To stay warm you have the right bag. Over there the tent is to be more comfortable, retaining more heat.

To reduce condensation there must be air flow. As the heated air rises cool air should be coming in from the bottom of the tent. Two small vents near the bottom and one or two at the top just isn't enough air flow. And is too dependent on the direction of the breeze. So many times I will add a longer loop at the stake out points. This pulls the rainfly out and up from the inner, allowing more air flow. The more air flow the less condensation but also less heat will be retained.

I really love my Euro tents. If I'm chilled I can limit the air flow and the non screen inner will keep in warmth (maybe upward to 15 F) But most the time I want to move in the morning and then condensation is my main concern.   

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