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Message posted by hankakampa on 14/5/2014 at 8:45pm
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hello everyone!

in very much the same vein as The Hypercamp Appreciation Society have formed a superb thread with pictures, stories and hints and tips for everyone with an interest in Hypercamp tents, a very small number of Ukcampsite members have an alternative dutch tent, in the way of Karsten Tents.

its been mentioned on another thread that perhaps now is the time to have our very own " Karsten Klub "

a place like Hypercamps thread where owners can share and exchange information amongst each other and for new perspective owners and anyone interested in camping in general, to see and read about this quite unique and alternative dutch tent which although small in numbers just now seems to be attracting an increasing amount of interest and followers.


so here goes to the launch of the Karsten Klub!

cheers everyone!


ill start with a sunset pic below my scribblings of my simple seagreen Karsten 300 pod with comfort awning and the rain awning attached.

quite simply a 3m x 3m square canvas inflateable pod with an attached substantial and strong pvc type groundsheet.

the tent is supported very simply by 2 tubes using valves similar as to the ones fitted on a car.




my personal impressions so far of my Karsten tent :-

an immediate and major difference to the current mainstream " air - tents " is the pressure that Karstens tents are inflated to.
as an example, my own Outwell Concorde is inflated to around 0.6bar or 10psi.

Karsten tents are inflated to 3.5bar or 50 psi - 5 times higher!.
and consider that many cars tyres are around 30 - 35 psi and you will imagine how sturdy and strong the beams which support this tent are.

the materials used in its construction are more akin in quality, strength and finish to those in fine yachts.

just taking a Karsten tent out of the bag, you appreciate the fine quality and thickness of the canvas and that unmistakeable canvas tent smell. the material used for the sewn in groundsheet is simply unpenetrable to water and it rises up the tents sides by a considerable amount so even in a fairly flooded pitch your tent can remain dry inside.

the tent is pegged in place in only each corner with a substantial aluminium bracket and yacht quality cord.

the guylines on karstens dont just get knotted to the tent. they are attached by Carabiner hooks to the tent - so easily detached and re attached should they need to be easily and quickly.

there is a choice and number of attachment points for the guy lines on each corner - not just 1 - allowing for extra guying in severe conditions.

the guylines themselves are thicker and stronger unlike from any other tent iv ever seen and the accompanying guy line sliders - a thick aluminium piece instead of the commonplace plastic found in most tents.

the peg bag weighs a ton - the pegs supplies outdo my rockpegs in terms of quality and sturdyness.


everything about these unusual, distinctly different looking tents simply oozes quality and strength.

theres not a loose thread or a stitch out of place anywhere - the finish is exemplary.

best of all is the pitching is so quick and easy. simply place 1 peg in each corner and inflate the 2 tubes.

each side has 2 wings which by pegging out 8 pegs gives a deceptive amount of room inside the tent for its pod like appearance.

there is then 1 guy per corner ( or optionally up to 3 if conditions are severe ) so a maximum of 16 pegs ensures this pod is secure up to the manufacturers storm 12 rating.

personally, my view is this is not akin to the many current " lifestyle tents " out there such as the Outwells and other brands with a focus on comfort features, panoramic windows etc, my Outwell Concorde being a personal comparison.

these tents are almost back to basic canvas camping but in amongst the best available made tents on the domestic market. the build quality, materials used, strength and durability all come 1st in these tents.

as a result of this ethos, i feel that i can camp in confidence and very comfortably knowing that my little pod is likely to be able to withstand most weather conditions thrown at it. its comforting to know that if the wind gets up and the rain starts lashing down, i can sleep soundly in my pod.

i wouldnt get that in my Outwell Concorde, awake worrying if the tent will be ok.

and that sums it up for me personally with my little Karsten pod, im more delighted and happy with this basic little tent than iv ever been with any tent iv owned and i look forward to enjoying the 20 year life cycle its designed for!












ok, time for a drink now, whose next!

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Well I'm here too now. My first offering here will be quite short though as we don't actually have our tent yet.
What i can tell you so far is, we went over to Holland & visited the Karsten shop in Zwaag, after looking on Marktplaats ( Dutch site similar to Ebay ) i became very interested in these tents.

So on our trip we saw all that Karsten had to offer & we were smitten. They have all the lovely new tents, awnings & extras all displayed in varying combinations so you can see what combinations are available.

We then found where they have 2nd hand tents on display.
Well that was it we found the tent i had seen on Marktplaats & knew it was just the right combination for us.
I had first thought that the combination of main pod plus a koppeltent would have been for us they look amazing together but the 1 we saw would have more a crawl through to the koppeltent/sleeping pod & was not standing height so was a no no.
The slaapaanbouw unit was more what we needed.
I know that you can have any combination of basic tents to join together but at the time what was on offer for us didn't suit & we could not afford new.

We chose the blue 3m plus the blue slaapaanbouw ( sleeping extension ) as i thought these would be better for sleeping so as be darker of a morning.
We then have the extra luifels ( canopies ) to live, maybe cook these things are yet to be tried.

So now we wait for the tent which is being bought to us by family from Holland. Our first trip will be a week end in Wales mid June so after then i can give a detailed account of how our tent suits.

This is our tent





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Well I can't give a more glowing review than Hanka, but here's how I came to own mine.

I had never heard of them but first saw one on Searles campsite in North Norfolk. It was a smallish light green pod only and I liked the canvas that much I made a note of the make and thought i'd have a look online when I got home and buy one.
Got home, had a look, and realised maybe I wouldn't be able to get ond straight away!

Kept checking over the next few years(!!!) and eventually their Carp tent appeared on eBay. It had small bids on and I missed the end of the auction as it was half term and I was away. Checked when back, sold for such a small amount I can't bear to put it here.
Checked the sellers feedback after a week, and could see nothing left, so contacted him to ask if the sale had completed, and if not would he relist?
He said the buyer had not made contact, but am guessing it went for so little he made some excuse not to sell. Anyway, we haggled and agreed a price and I bought unseen.
All in great condition (think its 2004, that was date on delivery labels to original shop in Norfolk) apart from one section of awning pole which is bent (you can see it in pic) doesn't affect stability...just looks wonky.

Bought it about three years ago, and used for five weeks and some weekends so far. Typically, when I've used it, the weather's not been very heavy, so I can't give graphic accounts of surviving biblical storms I'm afraid!
I still always forget to put the door poles in til last...and always forget to take them out till I wonder why I'm struggling to roll it up.

Mine is the 220 so I just use the double barrelled foot pump it came with, only takes a minute or two on each pole.

Pics this Easter...if you're still awake!





and you can see the bent pole on the right hand side, perfect in my eyes though.



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hi maddie

well what can i say?

i dont know how on earth your coping with all this waiting time. im afraid i fear id be on that ferry across the north sea off to get it myself!!!.

you have an excellent pod there - the 300 with the 2nd door opening on the side!

i hope you realise that this means you now have the future option buy a 2nd 300 pod to connect to this pod and form a very flexible tent combination! the door where your slaapenbouwe couples to is also the connection to another 300 pod and in future you could order a 300 pod with extra doors each side of the main door allowing 2 slaapenbouwes to be added - the options you have are now endless!

the blue and beige colour scheme is so lovely and will stand out beautifully in a campsite and be very unique.

i think your going to love your new tent when it comes and im looking forward to seeing pics of it in action in not just sunny weather but bearing up to the worst winds and rains - after all, thats what they are designed for!

as a Karsten Kamper - you can now disregard the weather and carry on kamping!.





splendidisolation!

what a great story and a superb little baby karsten! it looks great!. and youve even got the extension and rain door + awning too!. fantastic!

it might be the baby karsten but i see it has all the karsten hallmarks with the high rising durable groundsheet, multiple guying points and that classic timeless shape!.

your bent pole im sure can be put back into shape easily or replaced if not!


and the door poles!!!



i wonder if we have all or will all do this!!!

so easy to forget to put them in and take them out - i think i might put red woolly markers or fluffy balls on mine just to catch my eye so i remember to remove them when packing up!

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Thanks Hanka, sadly I've not got the rain door, that's just the front wall door...would love the rain canopy but only available for 240 upwards.

Yes, the bent pole can be replaced, James from Camping Travelstore said they may be able to replace just that section...haven't got round to it yet. Might this autumn...spruce her up a bit!!!

As for the door poles...I realise I've not put them in/ not taken them out at exactly the same point every time, without fail!


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at splendidisolation - absolutely spruce her up with a fresh pole! she needs to be kept fantastic and i guess once you replace the pole it helps to remind about the few poles in future - door and awning!

and iv been the same with the door pole so far!

im going to try to make sure that in this order:

lay tent out.
peg.
inflate.
door poles.
guy lines.

and by doing it same method each time maybe i can form habits!



maddie - i was just looking at other areas of the Karsten dutch website and came across a tent just like yours, but gazing through the square window i spy another pod, looking very much like its connected to this one but further back suggesting an intermediate pod is lurking in there too.

its also beautifully set up! - im picturing yours right here!




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someone on my recent camping thread was asking how many of these pods you can connect together!

is there a limit? ( apart from your bank account of course! )

i came across this photo, showing 2 x ( 380 im guessing by the 3 wings per side ) pods back to back with awnings at each end and a rain cover of some sort at the far away end!

i dont think they are connected as there is an angle between the main pods - if they were connected id imagine they would be in a straight line? - not sure - maybe, maybe not!

the mind boggles!

or in my case - starts waondering lol




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Wow looking at this thread im getting tent envy!

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OMG! i can just hear the hubby now ...NO! your not getting that furniture lol.

That photos does look gorgeous with the wooden furniture .

About the wait .....its killing me !!! .
I think that maybe when we do get our tent i might just refuse to pack away & go home .

Ha ha just showed hubby the photo ....me : 'do you think we can make ours look like this ? ' him ' yeah sure but we wouldn't get it in the car so wouldn't go camping ' .

splendidisolation what a great story & a lucky break for you. What an amazing view ....jealous ? Yeah !!

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Loving the tread and will get my pics and story on later. Oh, good news-have a crafty 1 night away on Saturday! Hooray! Just the pod and comfort awning this weekend I think.

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Well I'm happy to participate in this little venture!

I am still totally new to camping and last year was our first foray into this fab lifestyle... Needless to say we love it.

We started with a Berghaus tent from Milletts, then I was playing on google and I found Outwell tents. I could not believe their price - I thought they were extortionate for a tent! I was interested in a Monty 6P but looked on eBay and decided to plump for a 2nd hand BL6.

I thought it was the greatest tent ever.

Then I saw a few threads about Dutch tents, mainly Karsten and De Waard - so I started to research in ernest. We were in Holland for last years summer camping holiday and went and looked at De Waards first hand - although we saw neither on the Dutch camp site, I was disappointed!

So, upon our return I sought out the Camping Travel Store display - I knew I’d found the perfect (for me) tent. The sheer fact they are soooo versatile and could be used with different attachments for different types of trip. Not just that but they are epic quality and simple to put up.

Two pic's in the garden of the 350 - next post will hopefully be of it in use in glorious sunshine… Maybe even with the link pod!

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next time with link pod! oh yes please!

fantastic pics basichendo! - sunshine, 350 seagreen pod with link door and full awning set!

would be extremely rude to leave that side door completely unused like that forever! this could be the start of your Karsten palace

how many doors will the next pod have?

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Hanka, I'm sure you will get the pole sequence right, this has been mine on every trip...

Lay tent out
Peg corners
Inflate
Zip on awning
Peg awning
Zip on front wall
Peg front wall
Grab gear to put in pod
Go to open pod do...doh!!!

Un peg awning and front wall
Unzip awning and front wall
Insert door poles...and so on

Note, you can't put the door poles in once the awning is on!
I have a very higgledy piggledy memory and I don't do lists...a lethal combination.

Maddie, yes I was lucky to get mine, right time, right place for once! It'd be too small for most, which helped I suppose.

That must have been a wrench, having to leave what is now your tent there, it looks fab.

Yes, it's a cracking view, bit of a trek to get to (Isles of Scilly), worth it though.



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awning all zipped on an pegged ... an the remember the door poles

i havent got that far before remembering lol - only had my awning up once - rest of time was just the pod on its own - so was easy to fit the poles.

but i did have the - why wont the tent roll up scenario and then it dawned on me - i guess once it happens once, it ll never happen again!

maddie - when you get your tent, dont forget there are 2 small poles which slide into hidden sleeves on either side of the door - they make the door zipper operation very smooth by holding the canvas straight - yes you can do without them, its not end of the world if you dont put them in but it does make the tent door very nice and smooth to operate!

because on these tents the few poles that there are, are all hidden in sleeves, its very easy because they are out of sight to forget to A) put them in and B) take them out!

once iv made a mistake the 1st time im pretty good at remembering next time - " Now this is the point i went wrong last time! " kinda thing lol

lets see what happens on the next camping trip if i remember!


splendidisolation - it must be great having the extension awning on your tent - nice space to sit / cook etc.

what do you do for a groundsheet in there?






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I don't normally use a groundsheet in there unless it's very muddy. This Easter though, I did fold the tarp I use under the pod, out a few feet and found it useful for putting boots/rucksacks on.

Mine came with a groundsheet that is shaped similar to the porch, but it has Velcro around the edges...and there's none on the tent, so it must be from another fishing bivy. I think the Carp Tent package Karsten sell would have included a groundsheet and poles to prop the front doors open. Mine was missing both.

I thought I would not always bother with the awning, but I have, even for weekends. It's a great place to sit out of the wind and enjoy the views, esp with the front wall off. It doesn't look that big on the pic, but there is plenty of room for us both to sit in our chairs, side by side. Cooking stuff, boots,rucksacks sit in the awning, leaving just clothes and bedding in the pod.

I've only had to retreat into the porch to cook a few times when raining or especially windy. Prefer to keep my cooking skills away from the tent!

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Ok, our story. We came to Karsten having initially owned a polyester tent with very bendy poles, then an Outwell Norfolk lake-which was excellent but gosh it took some pitching, then an Emperor Bell tent (which I bought because I've always had a 4m Bell for a weekend tent and thought it would be the answer to me not being able to pitch the NL myself). I decided to sell the Emperor, as it really wasn't for me. i was looking at a Cabanon, but having read threads on here found Karstens. We couldn't afford new initially and following advice on here again, bought a used set up from Karsten in Holland and got it shipped over. It wasn't all plain sailing but we are delighted with what we have now-350 pod in steel grey, comfort awning, extension awning, front wall and rain canopy.

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