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Message posted by Sleeper17 on 13/4/2018 at 4:47pm
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Glad all went went well Purplebean.

One of the things I absolutely love about the Karsten is as daft as the Rain Awning poles. I was really pleased with how they perform...no slipping down no matter how much pressure I have put them under, I even like the colour!

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Great pics Purps. Glad to see you've finally got that first Kamp under your belts.
Shame about the worms/ground condition, but a sunny pitch up is never to be sniffed at.

Just one question though... and only because I'm a nosy git... your 5th pic appears to show the wing under the window with a dangling/unpegged guyline. Did the peg pull out in the night, or were you just in the midst of adjusting things?

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Quote: Originally posted by Lena07 on 12/4/2018
Wow, lovely pictures, purplebean! And oh my, these worms!

Does anyone use breathable groundsheet? I have one of these, haven't used it yet and wonder how much cleaning I will have to do in such conditions. Given I am the only person to pack up our tent every minute counts.



Absolutely brilliant in an awning, or even out in the open, be that under a tarp, or truly out in the open.
Absolutely rubbish as a footprint for under a tent SIG! If any rain does get under the tent, it can of course drain away through a breathable groundsheet, but equally, it can seep up through it, from wet ground... as well as allowing worm casts etc to come up through it.
The whole point of a footprint is to keep the underside of a tent's main groundsheet (be that sewn in or zipped in) clean and dry. So a non-breathable sheet is a must in anything but arid conditions. Needs to be a few inches smaller than the tent base itself, so it doesn't stick out anywhere, and therefore cannot collect any rain (directly or dripping off the tent walls). If water does somehow get between the two, (which it shouldn't if the footprint is sized and positioned correctly) yes it will puddle (because it cannot drain away) but it will stay clean, which it most likely wouldn't with a breathable sheet.


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Quote: Originally posted by Mucker1884 on 13/4/2018
Great pics Purps. Glad to see you've finally got that first Kamp under your belts.
Shame about the worms/ground condition, but a sunny pitch up is never to be sniffed at.

Just one question though... and only because I'm a nosy git... your 5th pic appears to show the wing under the window with a dangling/unpegged guyline. Did the peg pull out in the night, or were you just in the midst of adjusting things?



That was operator error. When we put Kryten up in the scout hall I removed all of the wing guys. I then retied the knot and added a Karabiner. Hubby pulled the guys so tight that one of the knots came undone. The peg and metal pegging loop didn't shift. Once I spotted it I loosened the guy rethreaded through the pegging loop and used a figure of eight knot. It stayed put after that. Need to reknot all the others this weekend



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Message posted by Jim1977 on 14/4/2018 at 8:27am
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Your set up looks great Purple, you chose a lovely colour, that dark blue looks so classy / handsome.

We like to do the same and as you say the stack of beds makes a good seat for the kids!

The pod, CA, FW, RA is a joy of a set up

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I've decided to get a made to measure carpet for our new 350 - does anyone know the actual internal dimensions, I'm assuming they're not exactly 3,500mm each way?

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I think James has a display this weekend, give him a call and ask him to get the tape measure out.

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In my opinion (Best to say that first!)...

Every time you set it up, there will be an inch or so difference from the last time, and the next time!
Depending on various factors, including just how tight you pull those corners, sloping/bumpy ground etc, and even the weight and location of furniture within the tent. Even a slight ruffle in the carpet itself could bring its edge in an inch or so.

Remember, other than the 4 corners, there are no pegging points along the ground, therefore there are no "sharp" 90deg corners (Between floor and wall). Where the SIG rises to vertical, sometimes it can be more curved/rounded than others. (Sometimes there are creases, sometimes not).
There are no levelled floors, no plastered walls, and no skirting boards.

I even suspect... rightly or wrongly... that every tent that emerges from the factory will have slight dimension differences, if we are talking in millimetres?

I suspect therefore* a 3.5m square carpet will be about as perfect as perfect can get, avoiding excessive exposure of SIG floor/edges, and also avoiding excessive rise (of the carpet) up the vertical.



*There's no denying though, that a nice tightly pitched tent and a tape measure would be the best approach, especially if forking out on a made-to-measure carpet!
Hope James (or someone else) gets back to you with a confirmed dim.

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Quote: Originally posted by adamclaridge on 17/4/2018
I've decided to get a made to measure carpet for our new 350 - does anyone know the actual internal dimensions, I'm assuming they're not exactly 3,500mm each way?



Wish I could help with that but ours is a 3m pod.

Have you found a place to make a carpet to your requirements?



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Quote: Originally posted by quilly101 on 17/4/2018
I think James has a display this weekend, give him a call and ask him to get the tape measure out.



Right,

I've just measured the Blue display 350 and the internal measurements are exactly 350 x 350! Measured in a few places across the floor.

However, I also have the sleeping extension attached and the measurement from left to right (to the modification) is 347cm as where the extension and tent velcro together it is lifting the groundsheet a little causing more curvature of the groundsheet and lessening the measurement.

Personally, if I was having one made I would go with 345 x 345 leaving a slight edge around the tent allowing for the carpet to be movable.

Hope that helps!

James

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Quote: Originally posted by Sleeper17 on 17/4/2018
Quote: Originally posted by adamclaridge on 17/4/2018
I've decided to get a made to measure carpet for our new 350 - does anyone know the actual internal dimensions, I'm assuming they're not exactly 3,500mm each way?



Wish I could help with that but ours is a 3m pod.

Have you found a place to make a carpet to your requirements?





Yes, I've spoken with Attwoolls who say that they can make a three-layer carpet (akin to Outwell - I hope!). It would take about 2 weeks.

I agree with James that it probably makes sense to have it made slightly smaller to allow for variations.

Now, if only I could get a groundsheet around the same size!

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Tarpaflex do a 3.5 x 3.5 m lightweight 80gsm tarp for 7.54 inc P&p, we've had one for 3 years and it's still going strong. It sits neatly under a 350 pod. I bought 4 plastic mushroom pegs to peg each corner for positioning. It won't protect your groundsheet from sharp objects but it will keep it nice and clean except in extreme conditions. I prefer it to our outwell footprint which was more substantial but seemed to attract mud and smelt like a compost heap.

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Quote: Originally posted by adamclaridge on 19/4/2018
Quote: Originally posted by Sleeper17 on 17/4/2018
Quote: Originally posted by adamclaridge on 17/4/2018
I've decided to get a made to measure carpet for our new 350 - does anyone know the actual internal dimensions, I'm assuming they're not exactly 3,500mm each way?



Wish I could help with that but ours is a 3m pod.

Have you found a place to make a carpet to your requirements?





Yes, I've spoken with Attwoolls who say that they can make a three-layer carpet (akin to Outwell - I hope!). It would take about 2 weeks.

I agree with James that it probably makes sense to have it made slightly smaller to allow for variations.

Now, if only I could get a groundsheet around the same size!



Great that a company will make you a carpet to your measurements.

The footprint also can be made to measure. Somewhere in this thread there are posts about companies that do this....if you feel like you can dare read through it!

Often seems it's the better (heavier) footprints that are made to order.

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We are almost there.....I have been looking forward to trying out our new RA side walls. It's seemed a long time due to weather and other commitments but my better 'arf came home with this which made me smile.



I just hope that the people who cancelled their trips out camping managed to get away during this "Summer" we are having.

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