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Message posted by joy_family on 23/6/2014 at 4:00pm
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Hi

Just come back from a great camping weekend at Chestnut Meadow, Bexhill. Weather was amazing - hope others got away and enjoyed it too.

2nd time we've used the Eden and it went up like a dream and very happy with the tent - the only 2 things i'd like to change are having zip windows at the front and getting rid of the saggy Vista window. No matter what I did i couldn't get rid of the sag. Our friends camping next to us had an Outwell Hartford and noticed that has extra guys halfway up each side of the door.

Anyhow, just wanted to share some picture of the inner tent adjustment that LSR did - works brilliantly, so if you want the same thing done, they are recommended. Makes so much difference to the sleeping pods.

Sorry the pics are sideways - I wasn't really pitched on a steep hill.

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We too were away on the weekend in our Eden and pitched next to us was another.
One thing I noticed with the tents pitched side by side was they had way more sag on the front vista than we have - and we certainly have some. I noticed also that the beams in both tents looked different - we still have knees in the back beam, while they had a knee in the front beam.
Maybe fineness the beams will make some difference?
Like the bed pods - but as we are a family of 5, 11yr old daughter and twin 5 yr old boys - the daughter likes to have her time.

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Hi

I didn't get any outside photos this time to compare front beam shapes. Does having a knee in the beams matter?

We are away again the first weekend of July (Wellington Park) so might have a play around with the front beam shape to see if that helps.

I do tent to pull tight the guy ropes towards each side of the door to give it all some lift - but all that does really is make the rest of it sag even more.

Any other Eden owners got any suggestions?

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Message posted by paul+kate s-o-t on 24/6/2014 at 1:13pm
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Maybe over tightening the guys ?
We had knees on our rear beam on our test pitch but put it down to have the guys to close to the tent and pulling it down
We didn't have this problem on our first or second outing
Going pillaton again this weekend so will have a good look and note down how we get the vista front pitched will post photos

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Ours has knees in the back beam regardless of how tight we pull the guys. The tent was back at Attwoolls, so asked them to see if they could sort out the knees. When I got the tent back they said they had sorted the issue, but last weekend we saw exactly the same.
The only difference is that Attwoolls told me they inflated to 9psi, which is higher than I have dared to take the beams.
Is it me or do you notice approx 1 psi drop over the first night, I top up and then the beams are stable, I wonder if it's a case of heating and cooling of the air in the beam?

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Mine seem to need a bit more after the first night -perhaps we should put 8psi in to start?

Also have you got any photos of the beams showing the knees?

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I did wonder about the 7 psi as my original thought was with the extra weight of the material it would surely need to be higher but I just went to 7.5 and didn't dare go any higher
Never really noticed a drop in pressure but never checked so will do this at the weekend

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I always go to 8psi when setting up, because I'm so obsessed by the knee in the beam, I have got into the habit of checking daily.
Drops to 7psi the first morning, top up to 8 ( I assume this is still ok as in the green zone on the gauge), then settles. You can see the knee, where the rear guide ropes join, have tried every tension, including no guy rope.
The effect is magnified by the side awning, hence having to centralise over the two beams to spread the weight, as we have had a collapse in the middle of the night ( post 12 hrs of torrential rain), but only I was awake, pushed the beam back up and no one believed me in the morning.

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So the 'knee' is the bit halfway down the beam - being pulled by the guy rope parallel to the side awning? Or is it the top part where the 2 guy ropes join?

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The knee bit is half way down the beam, actually just below where the guide rope joins, but is there before the guy rope is pegged out, shown by the crease in the rear side tent material.
I'm not sure if this back beam is generally out of shape, as the roof section is flatter than any other, not generally an issue, but it is where the rain collects, rather than run off.
Your response has got me thinking, how taught do you guys have the straps at the front and back?, mine are not quite drum tight, but there certainly is no slack and these are the first to be connected post the 4 pegging points front and rear. So is it these that are distorting the rear beam..., need to investigate next time out.
This maybe a newbie error as this is our first tent, do you allow slack in the guidelines generally as we were shown with the TBS, as I generally have them pretty tight

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I don't think mine are that tight - I am aware these back straps wobble in the wind and are not as taught as the others.

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