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Message posted by diesel steve on 20/10/2013 at 8:30pm
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why o why do cyclist wear team colours when out on the roads. so many on bikes with black or dark blue colours and when in trees the car driver has no chance seeing them.why do they not wear bright and reflective colours.

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They usually are very bright and garish. So the driver might not see a dark car either. I have only had problems at night with kids having no lights on their bikes. I always look out for pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders on country roads.

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It's a bit like saying "why o why do car drivers persist in using mobile phones when driving".

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sky team colours are black and moviestar are navy.

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Quote: Originally posted by OliverDay on 20/10/2013
It's a bit like saying "why o why do car drivers persist in using mobile phones when driving".

 

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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 20/10/2013So the driver might not see a dark car either.[/QUOTE]

Dark cars have legal bright lights unlike the flashing led lights on many cycles.
Those flashing lights are only legal when used together with constantly illuminated lights.

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Quote: Originally posted by Lounger on 20/10/2013
Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 20/10/2013So the driver might not see a dark car either.[/QUOTE]

Dark cars have legal bright lights unlike the flashing led lights on many cycles.
Those flashing lights are only legal when used together with constantly illuminated lights.

You are now talking about night time and I agree about constantly lit lights.  Different from what is being discussed.  I do wear a Hi-viz coat when walking my dog at dusk and night.  I do think bright clothing is advisable on the roads to counter inattentive drivers and speeding drivers.

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any cyclist that causes damage to a car by being hit for having no lights should pay full damages to the car.

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Listen, when I used to cycle-commute I had no less that 17 different lighting and reflectite devices on me and the bike, plus a hi-viz Saturn yellow jacket or waistcoat. I was lit up like a Christmas tree and still I had more near misses than I care to remember by motorists who claimed "Didn't see you, sorry". This included the bloke who sideswiped me off my bike as he turned left in front of me, the bloke who almost crushed me into the side of another car, the bloke who bounced me into the kerb and made me break my wrist.

And I believed all of them, I don't think they went out to deliberately run into a cyclist, it's just that (in my experience) many if not most motorists don't register cyclists as road users or as traffic. I was a good cyclist btw, veteran of many years, know (and obey) the traffic rules, not aggressive or one to take risks. And I drove as well, that's always a big bonus to a cyclist if they know how the traffic flow runs for cars too.  I still got into more trouble than you might believe just because some motorist hadn't seen me there, me in my bright clothing and lit up like a Christmas tree. It's not just up to the cyclist to make themselves conspicuous, though I do agree with that. It's also up to the motorist to be actively looking for cyclists, same as they would other cars.

Anyone else noticed recently there are more cyclists out on the roads this past year or two btw? Not the club cyclists, just ordinary folk. It's getting too expensive to take the car or public transport and I bet there are going to be more and more folk dusting off their bikes in the coming years. All the more reason for motorists to  sharpen up their driving skills a bit more when it comes to inexperienced cyclists out there on the roads. I don't really believe anyone wants to kill a cyclist due to inattention after all.



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It would be nice if they were on the roads, around my area they prefer the pavement!!! I try to walk 40/45mins a day for health reasons, I have been hit by a cyclist (a young lad late for school), just missed being hit by a grown man on a mountain bike racing his child at full tilt on the pavement (I am partially deaf, my wife heard him approaching, I didn't, and just to cap it off was hit last week by a young lad on a scateboard who just came straight out of a gateway. Rant over!!!!

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Quote: Originally posted by Valk_scot on 21/10/2013

Listen, when I used to cycle-commute I had no less that 17 different lighting and reflectite devices on me and the bike, plus a hi-viz Saturn yellow jacket or waistcoat. I was lit up like a Christmas tree and still I had more near misses than I care to remember by motorists who claimed "Didn't see you, sorry". This included the bloke who sideswiped me off my bike as he turned left in front of me, the bloke who almost crushed me into the side of another car, the bloke who bounced me into the kerb and made me break my wrist.

And I believed all of them, I don't think they went out to deliberately run into a cyclist, it's just that (in my experience) many if not most motorists don't register cyclists as road users or as traffic. I was a good cyclist btw, veteran of many years, know (and obey) the traffic rules, not aggressive or one to take risks. And I drove as well, that's always a big bonus to a cyclist if they know how the traffic flow runs for cars too.  I still got into more trouble than you might believe just because some motorist hadn't seen me there, me in my bright clothing and lit up like a Christmas tree. It's not just up to the cyclist to make themselves conspicuous, though I do agree with that. It's also up to the motorist to be actively looking for cyclists, same as they would other cars.

Anyone else noticed recently there are more cyclists out on the roads this past year or two btw? Not the club cyclists, just ordinary folk. It's getting too expensive to take the car or public transport and I bet there are going to be more and more folk dusting off their bikes in the coming years. All the more reason for motorists to  sharpen up their driving skills a bit more when it comes to inexperienced cyclists out there on the roads. I don't really believe anyone wants to kill a cyclist due to inattention after all.






then id invite them to a cup of coffee at spec savers if they cant see you

i have seen 1 or 2 cyclist round by us lite up like the coca cola xmas truck

but the majority dont even use lights (and most haven't even got reflectors on) i live in warrington and the amount of cyclist out at 5 am for early shift or 10 pm after a late shift is high.

I do truly believe that the police need to look at this as its the motorist that gets the instant blame.

i dont care who you are if your doing 40mph on a road at night and you only see the cyclist at 20 or 30 yards away the majority instantly go evasive mode which can cause most younger drivers to have an accident all on their own and then whos claim does it go on ? and round here some of the roads they cyclist use are 40 to 50 mph roads badly lite.

more needs to be done during driving lessons. most would rather try and go round (going into or onto oncoming traffic lane rather than just to slow down and wait for a safe pass)

now am not saying all cyclist are bad same as not all drivers are bad. its the few that make headline news that make you think.



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Message posted by brianconwy on 21/10/2013 at 6:09pm
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What hope have cyclists got when many car drivers can't even spot motorcyclists?  If they find an example of a cyclist acting irresponsibly then they are all fair game.

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I agree, the police should be the ones addressing the problems with cyclists not using lights at night or cycling in an illegal way. But given the budget constraints that bedevil the police force as well as everyone else, how likely is that? Ditto keeping tabs on all the illegal and downright stupid things motorists do, like use mobile phones while driving.

Better education and more responsibility all round is required.



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Quote: Originally posted by raftguid1977 on 21/10/2013
any cyclist that causes damage to a car by being hit for having no lights should pay full damages to the car.



???????

Just wondered if any of you know of someone dressed in black riding without lights has ever been hit by a car driver?

To be honest I have never heard of even one, though I know plenty who, even lit like a Christmas tree, have been hit by motorists, strange.



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As a car driver I find that flashing lights on bikes catch my attention much quicker than the steady lights.

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Quote: Originally posted by John in Leeds on 21/10/2013
Quote: Originally posted by raftguid1977 on 21/10/2013
any cyclist that causes damage to a car by being hit for having no lights should pay full damages to the car.



???????

Just wondered if any of you know of someone dressed in black riding without lights has ever been hit by a car driver?

To be honest I have never heard of even one, though I know plenty who, even lit like a Christmas tree, have been hit by motorists, strange.



Cars, buses, trucks, lamp-posts - you name it have been hit by cars in broad daylight let alone night. Strange.

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