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Message posted by jimmystuart on 13/9/2017 at 11:32am
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Beware of placing your compass in the same pocket as a smart phone, On a hike from Kettlewell via Gt Whernside to Buckden Pike, on moving away from Gt Whernside trig a heavy mist descended after walking awhile took out my compass to check heading and adjusted my path found myself in bottom of a valley which I assumed was near the Cam Gill rd it wasn't I came upon two large reservoirs not on my map, headed back up the side of the hill and redirected my footsteps trying to head NW ended up on a grouse moor and then onto a large stone outcrop walked down the valley which I thought was the Wharfe to find the river running the wrong way! I was in West Scrafton. got home to find my compass 40 degrees out of kilter!

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It's valuable information actually but further to the point, it's not just a mobile phone that you have to keep away from a direction compass as anything containing a battery of some description such as a torch or watch will create a magnetic field which will have some significance on the influence on a compass. As the OP says, keep your compass isolated in a different pocket as it could mean the difference between life and death especially in foggy conditions.

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We ended up off course due to stuff on our climbing harnesses one winter. Ever since I have been very careful. My compass goes round my neck or in my chest pocket. The phone is in a drybag in my rucsac as I don't need it.


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Message posted by Bob61 on 13/9/2017 at 11:17pm
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Download a compass app on your phone and use that.

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Message posted by Ewen c on 14/9/2017 at 6:37am
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Quote: Originally posted by Bob61 on 13/9/2017
Download a compass app on your phone and use that.



Not as accurate and some phones conk out in cold weather. Never rely solely on a battery system, even a GPS.
I haven't found a compass app that will mimic a Silva 123 system so they are useless for plotting a route.

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I won't bother downloading a compass app on my new smart phone then

I have GPS as part of Google maps which I hoped would get me out of trouble if I got lost on one of my walks but it hasn't managed to find my house yet when I am sitting in the living room. Keeps telling me I am sitting in a neighbours house   

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I doubt whether the military use a downloaded app in preference to a good old reliable navigational compass.

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I would imagine they have their own apps by now...and a drone with a camera comes in handy

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The military don't have to put up with GPS being blocked whenever there is a big NATO exercise.
Last winter, my bridge camera, phone and compact camera all conked out up the hills due to the cold. My compass still worked though. So did the paper map.

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I have never reached the dizzy heights of hill walking in the wilderness unless you can call Golden Cap in Dorset a hill. My walks are usually known and well trodden paths so unlikely to need a compass. However, I have become 'lost' on a couple of occasions when the path was not clear so a GPS app on my mobile phone would come in handy if it works. I wouldn't know how to read a compass and map...long time since I did geography at school.

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Another problem with relying on a smartphone is that touchscreens don't like raindrops.

I did once walk out somewhere unfamiliar with only a smartphone and a hazy idea of the terrain for navigation, then got disoriented in a forest. Then it started to hiss down with rain. At this point I was undeterred because my smartphone is splashproof.

What I didn't realise is that in the rain every raindrop registered as a touch on the screen - take it out of a pocket and it goes berserk with every app opening at random and running who-knows-what. Even sheltered from direct rain, there was enough mist or droplets or something that made it basically unusable.

On that occasion, my cavalier approach is excused by being in the south of England, and confident that a couple of miles walking in any random drection would find a house or road - it was never going to be life-threatening to get lost. It was pretty miserable though.

However, I'm never going to rely on a smartphone as a navigational aid again. If I'm walking in wild country I do generally do 90% of my navigating with a (proper, non-touchscreen) GPS. In fog or the clouds the GPS is more useable than a map. However, I always have a map and compass too.

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Thank you for that info, Achrn. I have only just bought my first smart phone and hadn't even considered raindrops on the screen. A mate of mine who I occasionally go on local walks with, always uses his mobile phone which downloads walks. He was using it on a particularly nasty rainy day we found ourselves out in and it seemed to work, but perhaps his is waterproof or he managed to keep it dry.

I am unlikely to go walking in any life threatening areas on my own but hadn't considered the potential problems just using a phone. However, on fine days (when I usually walk) the GPS on my phone should come in very handy on those few occasions I find I have taken a wrong turning - lol.

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I put my phone in a sealed waterproof pouch which still allows touch. It is only in my rucksack because I don't want to leave it in my car. Cars often get broken into in mountain areas in Ireland.

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I like the idea of the lanyard. I was thinking of getting a bum bag since I now have a phone and reading glasses to carry

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It must be bad if you have to keep your bum in a bag.

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Well, at my age one can't be sure of not having little accidents

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