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Subject Topic: DANGEROUS TYRES ON NEW VANS
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Message posted by romany on 05/10/2007 at 9:28am
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Matador tyres which are fitted to swift groups vans are the subject of a recall according to my caravan mag it says that all owners of vans involved have been informed by swift but there is always a few that get through the net hence posting this here. the mag is also saying they are aware of other makes of tyres also showing unusuall cracking on sidewalls and insome around the tread area, the advice is for all owners of two year old vans and less to check their tyres and if any cracks are showing contact the dealer the van was bought from

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i was wondering if in the event of something like that would the dealer contact all new swift owners?

i think this post should be one of them special top post ones!


Message posted by 150pickup on 05/10/2007 at 2:50pm
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I have had the tyres changed on my Sterling caravan at the last service. I am keeeping an eye on the new ones just in case but have done over 2K (Trip to South of France) and all seems ok

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Message posted by Angu2you on 06/10/2007 at 8:49pm
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A responsible tyre manufacturer should make every effort to contact anyone who may have a vehicle affected by this, but they shouldn't rely on the dealers to do it for them. After all, it's not the dealers fault, they had the vehicles on good faith too.

I would refer my tyres to a tyre expert for an opinion (a reputable tyre dealer, ATS and the like) rather than a vehicle dealer. Having said that, the dealers should have had a technical briefing on the problem.

Caravan tyres are a problem, especialy if the caravan isn't used much, as a tyre likes to be kept out of UV, and does like to be rotated, rather than sitting loaded in one spot. Cracking on the sidewalls is a common sign of UV damage, but apparently these tyres have a more serious, specific problem. Nobody does a recall for nothing.

Never, ever, use a tyre that has been fitted and has been deflated for a while, with enough load on it to flatten it. You sometimes see caravans stored like this, as an anti-theft measure. This can cause irreversible damage to the carcass, which can then give up at any time.





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Message posted by artc on 08/10/2007 at 11:54am
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Hi all,  a lot of people are not aware  that all tyres are load rated and if you are fitting to a van you need to ensure that the maximum load on the sidewall is not exceeded and on any van the tyres must be re-inforced or commercial van. Because of the low profiles we are now seeing theses days, i.e. 65/60/55 it is quite easy to fit tyres that are only rated for cars,my size is 225/60/16 and I got mine from E-Tyres on the web and made sure that the R/F was shown on the side wall, do not take the word of the tyre dealer that they will be okay, make him show you the sidewall, you can be blinded by cost and think you are getting a bargain, well you are not. I owned a tyre depot for 20 years and punters try to talk you into fitting the wrong tyres, I never would, as for the re-call it does happen, but very rarely, Matador are in the cheapie range and I,m surprised that they would be fitted o.e.perhaps Swift need to take better advice which tyres thet fir.

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sorry, that should be 'Swift need to take better advice on which make of tyres that they fit

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Message posted by Angu2you on 11/10/2007 at 10:15pm
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Spot on, though a tyre doesn't have to say on the sidewall that it's reinforced - the load and speed index (82T etc) are what you need to look at.

Re-inforced is a marketing term. A 385/65 R 22.5 truck tyre isn't reinforced, but it has a bloomin' high load index!

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Message posted by artc on 12/10/2007 at 11:23am
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Hi Tony, true, but when I was in the trade R/F came between 4ply(car) and 6ply van, it allows you to have the flexibility of low profile tyres that 6 and above don't have, my tyres are 225/60/16 R/F on 6J wheels, the car version would not be suitable for my van and they don't make a C/V tyre in that size, how many old farts like me can now get down on their hands and knees and try and find the mark which tells you the load rating. I do agree that people should be more aware about tyres, but as long as they are inflated and appear to be okay, who checks them for signs of damage or objects in the tread, not many I bet! 

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Message posted by The 2 Tops on 12/10/2007 at 6:01pm
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Our van is only a little over one year old.  It doesn't have Matador tyres, but i will be checking them in any case.  Lots of rubber companies source their raw materials from common outlets.  If the problem concerns a batch of pre-mixed rubber compounds, and it was a large batch which was split up and supplied to several tyre makers, then Matador tyres are not the only ones which could be affected.

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Message posted by gilesme on 12/10/2007 at 9:34pm
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Not been on here for a while...

reason I logged on was for advice on trailer tyres over winter... seems a good fit with this article.

Last year we kept the trailer down the side of the house, on it's "bottom" with no weight on the tyres.  This year we've left it (packed) in the garage.  What's the best way to keep the tyres from flatting ?

Should I move the trailer e.g. every week, overinflate the tyres, or what ?  From posts above, UV should be drastically reduced.

Or, would a set of "winter storage wheels" be a better idea ?


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We tend to leave our caravan on its wheels in the storage yard over the winter and as yet not had a problem with the tyres, if you are worried about it though why not use a couple of bricks to lift the wheels off the ground, placed under the main chassis of the trailer they should support the weight ok, or use axle stands if your trailer has an axle.



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Message posted by The 2 Tops on 13/10/2007 at 10:30am
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Sorry, but you all seem to be missing the point that romany has raised.  The issue is not how you look after your tyres; it is about the existence of a manufacturing fault in the tyres themselves.  As I said in my previous post, rubber product manufacturers frequently buy pre-mixed compounds, and if Matador and other tyre manufacturers have obtained the same compound mix from the same source, then Matador tyres may not be the only brand to have the fault.

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Hi Bertie, I realise that but gilesme, raised another issue which I have replied to.

Hopefully all the manufacturers who used the bad batch of compound will issue notices to have them recalled, after all it is their product that is the only one keeping the caravans in contact with the road surface and if that fails we are all going to looking at trouble on the roads.



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Message posted by The 2 Tops on 13/10/2007 at 11:50am
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I would hope so, Papa Pip, if that scenario does in fact apply.  I only indicated that it was a possibility, thus suggesting that we all check our tyres, regardless of make, if we feel that they fit into the time period applicable to the Matador problem.

The company that I worked for, prior to retirement, is a producer of metal-to-rubber bonded products, many of them used in safety-critical applications.  Many ingredients for the rubber compounds were received in plastic packaging.  These went into the mill as received; the theory being that the plastic would be so dispersed throughout the rubber as to be inconsequential.

Assuming tyre manufacturers employ similar practices, my thoughts go along the lines that something unusual may have occurred at the rubber milling stage.  But, as tyres are "built" in layers prior to going into the moulding process, and use other materials with the rubber (e.g. rayon), the inclusion of any incompatible substance (contamination) could contribute to the fault.  And all the materials used in tyres are available to all tyre manufacturers from common sources.

So,regular tyre inspection (car and van) is advisable.  Not primarily because there may be a production fault, but also because these are the most abused components on car and van.  Not because we ourselves abuse them, but because they (the tyres) have to withstand all the thumps and abrasions inflicted on them by rough and broken road surfaces.  Dismal reading, what!

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Send them an email and ask which batches are affected.

Jan Marecek - Managing Director
jan.marecek at matadoruk.co.uk 


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Quote: Originally posted by raymcm on 13/10/2007

Send them an email and ask which batches are affected.

Jan Marecek - Managing Director
jan.marecek at matadoruk.co.uk 


If you have Matador tyres, and feel you have good reason to be concerned, this is probably a good idea.    But ask if it was an in-house problem, or if it concerned materials already faulty when bought in.  This would help to deduce whether there may be other makes of tyre affected, although any such faulty batch could all have gone to Matador.

Then, in-house problems could be due to addition of incorrect compounds/ratio of compounds,  insufficient milling to disperse all components of the compounds evenly (could cause e.g. lamination at the vulcanising stage).  Also, the problem could be incorrect time/temperatures during the vulcanising process.

Providing that they can recover all the suspect tyres, and no accidents have apparently resulted, Matador would probably decline to divulge information that related to their technology and processes.

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