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Message posted by mcguire6078 on 05/4/2012 at 12:34pm
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Okay we have had one or two topics on cookers recently and quite a few claims that certain cookers are cheaper to run than others. In particular Im looking at the Campingaz Bistro style of cooker which takes the CP250 style canister.

If you go for non generic type of CP250 gas canisters, then work out the consumption of the cooker, the CP250 Style of canister works out cheaper than a campingaz 907 bottle and in some circumstances even the Coleman dual fuel cooker. It only seems to be beaten on stoves operating on Calor gas. Can someone check my maths and see if I am right....?


Hi Gear 220g pack 12 (13.98) CP250 style cartridge
13.98 divided by 12 = 1.17 per bottle (220g) which last 1.5 hours = 0.78p hour

907 Campingaz bottle (operates Campingaz Chef 150g fuel per hour single burner)
16.00 Refill contains 2.75kg fuel which last 18.33 hours = 0.87p hour

Unleaded fuel 1.44 litre (operates Coleman dual Fuel)
Tank takes 2.5 US pints = 1.18lites (cost 1.70 to fill) last for 2 hours = 0.85p hour

Calor Gas 4.5KG (operate Campingaz Chef 150g fuel per hour single burner)
15 refill contains 4.5kg fuel which last 30hours = 0.50p hour


I have based the unleaded price on today values. Also note if you shop around you may even get the CP250 style canister cheaper or on special offer. As an example last year I bought 12 cans of the Campingaz gas canisters which hold more fuel (250g) for 13.00. If you were to buy the Hi Gear canister today you could get an additional 15% off   and you would pay 11.88.

Obviously the style of cooker and type of fuel used will be affected by what time of year you camp as some fuels operate better than others in lower temperatures. My assumptions have just looked at the cheapest fuel and not how well they operate throughout the year.

Please note: All the consumption rates/times have been taken from the web. I need to get out more...

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Wow - thats going in depth! Its interesting and I hope your figures hold up against other views as I have the little stoves too. Never used the other types so I can't comment but I always assumed they would be hotter - don't know if this affects your figures.

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Thanks for the figures, interesting.
AS far as unleaded is concerned I do know that a kettle boils much quicker on our unleaded stove than any gas appliance we've tried.
The Coleman propane appliances we have also beat the suitcase style stoves hand down for heat. So, it's not just down to a cost per hour basis.

Still is interesting to see, just pointing out there are other considerations.

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Length of time fuel lasts means absolutely nothing.. What you need to know is how much heat is generated. If the CP250 can only provide say 1kwh of heat per canister, but the petrol 3kwh for the same amount the gas is three times more expensive.

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I concur with daveyjp to get a true comparison you have to bring kwh in your equation. Its like working out how much it is to run a car without taking into account mpg.

For instance the coleman duel fuel is 4225w and the campinggaz bistro is 2300w (just over half)

The boil time (which is frankly the most important measurement of any stove ) is 4 mins (coleman) vs 5 1/2mins for the camping gaz. So for a two hour burn you can get 30 kettles from the coleman vs 21 for the bistro !

So in camping units that 5.6p per kettle for the coleman vs 7.4p for the campingaz bistro !!

Is it wrong I enjoyed doing that ??



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Blimey mcguire and davey,you really need to go camping!

But it's very considerate of you to work out the costings of the gas/petrol for cooking,we use one large gas per year for longer camps and 3 packs of 4 canisters for the single burner.....per year. (45 approx)



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Awedlock: Thank you so much I knew I was missing something. Now what's interesting is that the Campingaz Chef cooker appears to have the same rating as the Campingaz Bistro 2500w..?

On the Campingaz website is says it takes 5.5mins to boil a litre of water on the Bistro and 6.5mins on the Campingaz Chef?

I am right to assume that the CP250 canister can work out cheaper than the 907 bottle in this case..?


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The cost differences are small enough not to really matter, I would have thought. As mentioned, the heat generated is important because you want stuff to cook in a reasonable time, you want convenience & also the setup you actually want so this would tend to dictate choice rather than the small differences in fuel cost, I would have thought.

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Tentz: I completely agree. However one of the points that kept being raised in the choice of cooker was that x was cheaper than y to run. The one thing that keeps cropping up is that the suitcase style cooker is more expensive to run which may not be true.

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From my experience over the years (and I'm not going to be doing all the figures lol!) I think the suitcase style works out very slightly more expensive for my own personal use.

That said, I weigh this up against taking two suitcase stoves and a few cannisters against my two burner cooker and hefty gas bottle and I know that even if it was a fair bit more expensive I'd still go for the seperate suitcase. I can move them around much more easily, they are better for packing, no gas bottle to lug around, can use two decent sized saucepans at once where as not enough room on cooker with the top and side windshields up. That and the fact that there is a grill underneath the cooker that really isn't worth having that just annoys me anyway lol!

Anyone get the impression that I don't like the two burner thing that lives in my loft 

It's good to have this thread though, lots of interesting information, thanks.

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OK then which one??. We are back to a tent this year and although we will have some luxurys I have been ordered to cut back everything,so something that will do for weekends and maybe a 4 nighter and takes less room sounds good to me. I was looking at the suitcase ones,which are the best????

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Well "best" is a potetentially different answer from who you talk to...hence lots of discussion on this site.

Ulitmately if you get the performance you require for a price you're happy to pay, then you are getting the best for you!

 

Personally I love my Coleman Duel fuel, as I always know where to get fuel if i run out. I would not however use it in a tent.


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If you want a suitcase stove (or 2) then I'd go with the Campingaz Bistro. As other threads have discussed not all suitcase stoves are the same, even though they may look similar.

I would also recommend the Campingaz cartridges, as they have demonstrated better gas regulation than certain other cheaper makes (although the Bistro can cope with lesser performing cannisters, our backpacker stove can't and flares with other makes, which is how we know).

Just remember to only use pans of a size that fits within the black plate on the stove (so not to spread flames and heat towards the cannister) and to read the instructions for your particular stove.



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We just had a holiday in the Lakes. We chose a site at 8 per night total instead of one for 23 . 50 per night, so the extra cost of gas we just accepted

PS. I am waiting to try out a cheapo gas refill when the Gaz one runs out, in my new Bistro stove to see if there is any difference.



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The stove we use is a Coleman perfectflow 100% propane,the heat it gives out is far superior to camping gaz butane (I know we have at least 4!) it sparks up first time and is nice quality, the finish wipes clean like new. In fact my only gripe would be that both burners are the same output and you cant get them to turn down low enough for a slow simmer!! Last summer we took our camping gaz bistro as well to use outside and the two systems side by side made the difference readily apparent. We also have the lantern that works off the same cylinders which is great for an evening outside.

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I use Coleman gas canister which are quite expensive on less you do as I do/did and buy the attachment that let's you fill them up from the larger propane bottles which makes.it a lot cheaper especially as we have the large bottles at work so it costs me nothing but a little time to fill them

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