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Message posted by tmif on 03/5/2014 at 6:52pm
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So lovely people - I hereby grant you access to my bank account briefly.

I had plans for a three day camp this weekend in Cornwall - the site I booked was Pentewan Sands (which was lovely by the way).

I arrived yesterday afternoon, set up - all fine. Had my fish and chips. Delish!

...and then I got to bed time. I slept a very short of time last night because I was so cold. I had an airbed which deflated on me twice (presume puncture I guess), two 10.5 tog double duvets, a thick blanket and a 3.5 tog duvet. (I don't like sleeping bags, I fidget a lot in my sleep and find them restrictive).

I checked the weather forecast and it didn't look any warmer today or tomorrow, so I packed away and came home :(

I am what you would call a grumpy bear at the moment (a) because I am tired and (b) because I am not in a field in Cornwall.


SO - what I need is ideas for better sleeping arrangements and a way of staying warm at night. I am considering EHU and a heater, but warm bedding and something comfy to lie on is preferred. (If you can also find me someone nice to share this bed with that'd be appreciated, but it's not expected

Thanks all

Disappointed in Devon x

Message posted by rjtcamplet on 03/5/2014 at 7:18pm
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We went away Easter in our new camplet, and it was cold.

We had a small radiator on all night not sure how effective it was but everything helps. Thermal underwear for me SWMBO had a onese. Kept socks on and I even wore a wooly hat. But what really kept us warm were two hot water bottles each. We have sleeping bags and were off the floor, both of us had a good nights sleep. Also a hot drink and something to eat helps.

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Message posted by michell8 on 03/5/2014 at 7:26pm
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Airbed not much good in the cold, try thick cardboard on top of groundsheet, then sim, then 2 sleeping bags, one inside 'tother. Wear tracky bottoms, sweatshirt, thick socks & a wooly hat.

Message posted by Bob61 on 03/5/2014 at 7:27pm
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I have had more self deflating airbeds than Go Outdoors and now use a camp bed with a cheap self inflating mat on top, then a blanket on top of that and it is both warm and comfortable.

Sleeping on a bag of air will always be cold. They can be insulated with blankets/foam mats/cardboard below and blankets on top but why do all that when you can get a camp bed.

About 5 years ago though, I did convert to EHU and on the coldest nights use a heater. It is all very well being macho and pretending camping isn't real camping unless you are cold, wet and miserable but I prefer to be warm, dry and comfortable

Incidentally...I am always disappointed in Devon too

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Oh dear.. Obviously you are a fellow lizard, I find the following the only way I keep warm.
Foam square thingies on floor of bed pod then insulated picnic blanket then camp bed then Sim, fleece blanket, sleeping bag me then occasionally blanket on top.
Himself and small humans seem to cope ok with various campbed/ travel cot and sleeping bag combinations.
We went in early April and took a small heater that time which I had to turn off as the baby was too hot
I on the other hand was just about cozy

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Its always going to be cold in a tent this time of year. I agree that camp beds are warmer than an airbed. A decent sleeping bag is essential, I now have an Outwell Camper Lux which is fantastic. Then add thermals, hot water bottles, jumpers, blanket, thick socks and woolly hat (if you can cope with sleeping in one).

We upgraded to EHU a couple of years ago and the little fan heater does make a huge difference.

I agree with Bob61 - its not a test of endurance so do whatever you can to make it comfy.

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I am 100% glamper - so quite happy to buy whatever is required to be warm, happy and well fed. It's a holiday after all :) I don't do it to save money but because I love it.

If it was a test of endurance, I'd still be shivering in the field!

I've tried a SIM before but it was quite thin (read cheap) - never thought about putting one on top of a camp-bed before. I will need to try and borrow one to see if i like it.

I really can't stand sleeping bags - so it will need to work with my three duvet and blanket combo :)

Thanks for your suggestions so far. I will be looking for links of things to buy next.

(Bob61; Devon is gorgeous in general - just outdone by it's two more beautiful neighbours - Cornwall and Dorset).

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Not much more to add - definitely fleecy socks, thermal underwear, fleece pj's on top of those, hot water bottle to start the night off have all worked for us.

On a separate note, having lived in Dorset for 10 years and now living in South Devon I have to disagree with your final comment. Devon runs circles around our neighbours .

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There's a saying I've heard amongst climbers about sleeping bags - "you warm the bag, the bag doesn't warm you." All your layers will just trap heat, they don't generate it. Same applies with a duvet.

It's your body heat that makes you feel warm. Eating a carb laden meal (even if just a light supper or snack) that's going to keep you releasing heat over a decent period just before you go to bed is good place to start. Hot chocolate is a winner too.

But the biggest problem to me seems to be the mat. Sort your mat out, the ground is a lot colder than the air so you need a decent insulator beneath you.


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I must admit that I don't know Devon too well. It is now just a fraction outside my comfort zone for travelling and Dorset is as far as I go. I am sure it is lovely once you get beyond Dawlish Warren

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I'm always cold too. I've switched to a sim and camp bed and have bought a new sleeping bag, will be trying it out the first week of June.

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It was very cold last night, frosts forecast for some areas, I was a bit cold in bed. in the house, so not too surprising you where cold in a tent.

Try a foil survival` blanket underneath the airbed, you can get them from the poundshop, or maybe fleecy PJ's.

Jules


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That's a good point Jazzij - I am not a cold person (or a lizard...) I am always the annoying one in the office opening the window and turning down the heating.

After reading all your excellent advice and further googling, I think I might have another go at a sleeping bag. I have seen a nice double one, which I see as an investment for my future - or some xl-singles which will let me fidget in peace perhaps.

I will also buy a foil thingy and something to replace my dead airbed; I've not decided on the sim/campbed combo yet as I want to try them out before splashing out.

Much appreciated all. Let's hope the next bank holiday is warmer :D x

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If camping in near freezing temperatures you need to seriously consider a sleeping bag. Getting a carp fishing bag, they are huge and extremely warm.
I've gone night fishing in the winter and not ever got cold in my sleeping bag.

Failing that get a sim, we have camped on sims down to 2 degrees and never felt cold.

I think the duvet is ok but not in the lower temperatures. We use one now but have a trailer tent now so are off the ground. On the sims in a tent we used sleeping bags.



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Message posted by geoffprinter on 03/5/2014 at 10:36pm
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I don't think you should blame the airbed. A good sleeping bag is a must have IMO then duvets on top if need be. A fleece mattress topper has just been added to our sleeping gear. But you cant beat someone to cuddle on a cold night, and I am afraid you cant buy them at G.O Geoff

Message posted by purplebean on 03/5/2014 at 11:20pm
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We have exped megamats and they just feel warm. I slept on an airbed at my sister's earlier this week and even though I was in a heated house it was freezing I could feel all that cold air underneath me. I use a 3/4 season bag and take a blanket and a quishion, also have a carpet under the megamat.

Everyone finds their own preferred sleeping option but I think the best advice is to move away from an airbed as they suck heat out of you

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