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Message posted by BobCat10 on 20/9/2017 at 9:27am
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We had a blip with the satnav on the way back from the Alsace to Zeebrugge....we managed to get ourselves into central Brussels...what a horrible experience. It was like being in Islamabad. Really, really shocked by this. There was litter everywhere, it was full of fruit shops with goods spilling out onto the street like a market and people just hanging around doing nothing.    

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It's a city like anyother city which is why we do the country & coast not cities. Ring road is easy enough to navigate it you follow signs provided you know town names in French ie Mons & same town in Dutch ie Bergen

The usual satnav disaster then? Never used one meself but from what I hear they are best avoided. Turn the darn thing off & follow the signs.

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Brussels has good bits and bad bits. Excellent sea food restaurants. But when we stayed there the area round the hotel had a large number of "ladies of negotiable affection." Probably something to do with the constant stream of visiting trade delegations.
I haven't been to Islamabad, but my wife has for work. Beautiful wide boulevards and modern buildings. All spotlessly clean. Is that what you meant?

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Brussels is nice enough for a few days - plus it has the benefit of very cheap hotels when the EU isn't meeting, a benefit of supply being much bigger than demand at certain times.

I'd much rather go to Brugge or even Ghent though.

Belgium in general is a nightmare to drive in, they do tend to drive as if no-one else is on the road.

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It was all those locations rolled into one with some common issues that one cannot mention as it would be politically incorrect.

When in Rome and all that doesn't seem to work somehow.



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Lovely cobbled roads in parts of Brussels!
Last year we noticed how bad the motorways were, potholes and ridged surfaces definitely checks for any loose fittings!


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Quote: Originally posted by 664DaveS on 21/9/2017
Lovely cobbled roads in parts of Brussels!
Last year we noticed how bad the motorways were, potholes and ridged surfaces definitely checks for any loose fittings!




Thats why I avoid Belgium on the motorbike. Rumour has it that car manufacturers use Belgian motorways to test suspensions.

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Alan - I agree. The problem is when group polarize rather than integrate and embrace the culture they have come into.

Brits abroad - oh boy...this is why we never go to Brittany, Sarlat or any of the area that seem over populated wit expat Brits Having said that Tuscany is like that too. I was amazed at the number of Brit ex pats we met near Volterra, Florence and Verona.

As long as people try and EMBRACE a new way of living, its when they insist on food from their homeland...why have Marmite, Tetley Teabags, Cadbury's chocolate, Kellogs cornflakes grrrr it really gets me (stay in England), likewise other cultures. FRANCE should stay French , ITALY the same.

There are people living in Sarlat who bring food in from the UK every week.

Hey we all have a different view on this...and I am usually the one who speaks their mind.   

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Quote: Originally posted by BobCat10 on 21/9/2017
Alan - I agree. The problem is when group polarize rather than integrate and embrace the culture they have come into.

Brits abroad - oh boy...this is why we never go to Brittany, Sarlat or any of the area that seem over populated wit expat Brits Having said that Tuscany is like that too. I was amazed at the number of Brit ex pats we met near Volterra, Florence and Verona.

As long as people try and EMBRACE a new way of living, its when they insist on food from their homeland...why have Marmite, Tetley Teabags, Cadbury's chocolate, Kellogs cornflakes grrrr it really gets me (stay in England), likewise other cultures. FRANCE should stay French , ITALY the same.

There are people living in Sarlat who bring food in from the UK every week.

Hey we all have a different view on this...and I am usually the one who speaks their mind.   


France isn't all French, just ask a Breton, Norman or Corsican. Brits? How can you lump us all as Brits when the UK is so different in it's parts. Italy? Remind me how old is Italy as a unified state?


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I think the diversity within countries is going to become more marked. Travel is so easy. It used to take my grandad all day to travel 200 miles. His grandad probably never left his village. Now we can jump on a plane and change continents in 4 or 5 hours.
I don't see diversity as a problem. It becomes one when people decide to make it one.
Thank deity of your choice that we aren't all the same.
I'm off now into Welsh speaking Bala for a takeaway. Now what will it be? A pizza, a Chinese, a burger, an Indian maybe.

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Some years ago I went on a weekend trip to Brugge and the Eurostar stopped at Brussels central railway station. We had time before catching the local train to Brugge to explore the area. Certainly the area right outside the station was the pits. We walked into the centre of the town...I believe it was the centre anyway, where the peeing boy is and a big market square. The buildings were beautiful and it was very busy like a bazaar but I don't recall any mess. I was disappointed with the peeing boy because for all it's fame it was little bigger than the average garden gnome

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Quote: Originally posted by Bob61 on 22/9/2017
Some years ago I went on a weekend trip to Brugge and the Eurostar stopped at Brussels central railway station. We had time before catching the local train to Brugge to explore the area. Certainly the area right outside the station was the pits. We walked into the centre of the town...I believe it was the centre anyway, where the peeing boy is and a big market square. The buildings were beautiful and it was very busy like a bazaar but I don't recall any mess. I was disappointed with the peeing boy because for all it's fame it was little bigger than the average garden gnome



For some reason, railway and bus stations seem to often be in the least salubrious parts of town the world over. Not sure which came first though.



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We can be sure not to go back that's for sure.

Everywhere has its bad parts but I have been lucky enough to be brought up in villages and only ever lived in places with rolling fields for borders. I also work out of the city and can look over Baildon and Ilkley moors......

I think heavily populated areas are just a shock to the system when you neither live or work in that environment.

At least in London you can use the tube to go to Knightsbridge or Kensington or Hampstead without having to go through the dodgy bits.
I do walk round with rose tinted glasses and have managed quite well so far.



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*****WITH THE NEW TENT*****


     

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Quote: Originally posted by JoannaLesley on 22/9/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Bob61 on 22/9/2017
Some years ago I went on a weekend trip to Brugge and the Eurostar stopped at Brussels central railway station. We had time before catching the local train to Brugge to explore the area. Certainly the area right outside the station was the pits. We walked into the centre of the town...I believe it was the centre anyway, where the peeing boy is and a big market square. The buildings were beautiful and it was very busy like a bazaar but I don't recall any mess. I was disappointed with the peeing boy because for all it's fame it was little bigger than the average garden gnome



For some reason, railway and bus stations seem to often be in the least salubrious parts of town the world over. Not sure which came first though.







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Le Premier Pres, Savigny-Les-Beaune
Camping Des Sources, Gordes
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Camping Balze, Volterra, Tuscany

Road Trip 2018 - Undecided, need inspiration. Guedelon has to be part of it though!


*****WITH THE NEW TENT*****


     

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We use the Brussels Ring every year on our way from Calais to Austria and back again.   The only problem we ever have is the Belgium Drivers.   Tom Tom has never taken us wrong. Surface of road has improevvastly over the last 2 years.

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We lived in Brussels for 3 years a long time ago. I went there to work on a project that a group of banks was doing to allow people to use ATMs all over Europe.

It's a nice enough city with a couple of little quirks. (Hopefully the police have now stopped towing cars to make a profit. That provided us with hours of fun and amusement going to the police station etc etc.) The centre's nice, good for shopping, there are a lot of really seriously good places to eat and drink. The metro's brilliant, gets you across town really quickly and I always felt safe using it.

There are a lot of North African businesses around Station Zuid / Gare du Midi. The best thing to do is find a little cafe and order delicious fresh peppermint tea.
It's kind of a shame you don't remember when the UK had greengrocers etc with fruit and veg piled high outside the shop. We did when I was a kid.

When we first moved to Amsterdam after Brussels, I spent a bit of time shopping in a souk style market where I could speak French to the North African traders, Moroccans mainly. Lovely people.


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