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Message posted by happybonzo on 30/9/2017 at 10:14am
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Can some one explain to me why SatNavs give some of the directions that they do?

I was travelling to the Eurotunnel on the M20; I know that the turn-off is Junction 11a having used it many times before, both with Cars, Motorhomes and with Lorries.

The M20 is a straight run down to that exit so why does the device suddenly tell me to turn off at Junction 8, where there is some naff "shopping village"? This happens every time we go down to Eurotunnel.

I sometimes wonder if the mad Trout that lives inside the device has a secret need to buy more out of date goods as this happens every time we drive down to Eurotunnel

The SatNav is a TomTom 900 series so it's not a bit of rubbish.

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Ours doesn't do anything like that. Perhaps TomTom is 'sponsored' to divert people into the shopping outlet - a bit like all the excursions you're persuaded to go on on package holidays, which invariably take you via the 'Jewellery shop', the carpet warehouse, or the wine tasting...........!

Or it could be like the old SatNav (route planner it was so long ago) my OH used to have, which told him when he'd been driving long enough and needed to stop for a break or overnight. It suggested he stay overnight, once, when he was just a mile or two from home!

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Probably 10 feet shorter.

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Quote: Originally posted by alan29 on 30/9/2017
Probably 10 feet shorter.



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We have a satnav in the car and a free standing Garmin.
The latter has 4 updates a year of the maps, the car one is fixed.

Often the Garmin is showing a road that the car system shows as fields.

When arriving at a T junction, one system often says go right, the other says left. This serves as a very good laxative for my wife, the driver.

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Quote: Originally posted by happybonzo on 30/9/2017
Can some one explain to me why SatNavs give some of the directions that they do?

I was travelling to the Eurotunnel on the M20; I know that the turn-off is Junction 11a having used it many times before, both with Cars, Motorhomes and with Lorries.

The M20 is a straight run down to that exit so why does the device suddenly tell me to turn off at Junction 8, where there is some naff "shopping village"? This happens every time we go down to Eurotunnel.

I sometimes wonder if the mad Trout that lives inside the device has a secret need to buy more out of date goods as this happens every time we drive down to Eurotunnel

The SatNav is a TomTom 900 series so it's not a bit of rubbish.



When last did you update it? We update our TT at least twice a year.

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When last did you update it? We update our TT at least twice a year.
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at least twice a year and Junction 11a has been there since the Eurotunnel opened

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I have an in built sat nav in my mondeo, don't know what make. Some of the instructions are crass. The car is 2014 so no doubt sat nav is out of date. New sections of A1M don't show but the most stupid thing I know so far is in leaving the village where I live and travel 2 miles on a straight country road to the major junction I need, without fail it turns me left to a small hamlet on a very narrow, windy road and brings me back onto the road I have just left 1 mile further on. Crazy.

Incidentally I ask a ford dealer to update the card, they wanted 212. I told hime I could be a new one for less than that. Good old Ford

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According to Google Maps, from just short of the Jct8 slip road, it shows option A being the M20 route, which shows as being 11mins quicker, and 1.2miles less, so whether you have your sat nav set to quickest or shortest, the M20 should win both times in this instance. Those settings can sometimes affect the choice, but that doesn't seem to be the case here?
Even option B (This is Google Maps, not a sat nav) to come off at Jct 8 has you going down the A20, only to return to the motorway at Jct 9!

Of course, if, as I have, you have a "Live" sat nav, and it takes traffic jams/hold up's/queues/closed roads/roadworks/reduced speed limits etc into account, then that affects everything. Although to take you off at Jct 8 every time seems a bit weird!

In short... I cannot answer your query, but you'll be pleased to know my sat nav keeps me on the M20 until Jct 11A... traffic permitting!


...Just so you know my Live TomTom ain't perfect... just over a week ago, it warned of heavy/queuing traffic ahead, adding 17mins to the journey. It therefore took us off the motorway (we could see the tail end of the queues to the side of us) and we tootled off, smug in the knowledge she had done us proud.

... 7 minutes later, having followed her instructions to the letter, we literally ended up in the "Ambulances Only" bays outside A&E at Lyon Hospital!!

No more smug faces, and I do believe the phrase "Stupid Bit*h" was used!!

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Message posted by Bob61 on 30/9/2017 at 12:19pm
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My first satnav was a cheapo second hand thing from ebay and it never let me down once despite never being updated.

I now have an in-car satnav and it has let me down a few times. Sometimes, especially in Gloucestershire for some reason, it won't pick up the signal at all until I am almost home in Hampshire.

On the A27 travelling east towards Brighton it always wants to take me through the middle of Chichester then back onto the A27 again.

Even very near to where I live it always tells me to bear left when the road goes straight on.

On another occasion when I had to deviate from my route due to the main A34 being closed it kept trying to get me back onto the main road again and actually took me down a dead end road to an amenity tip!

On one occasion on a motorway it kept telling me to take the second exit at a roundabout!!!

So, satnavs can be unreliable but nevertheless I have become pretty reliant on mine and although I take a map with me I hope the satnav gets me to where I want to go.

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We do find ourselves constantly being taken down narrow/winding roads (often single track, or little better), when heading for a campsite we've not been to before. We later find it would have been much more comfortable to have stayed on the main A road, even if it was 20 yards further, or 19 seconds slower!

We have got in the habit now of ignoring such instructions, staying on the A road, and seeing what the new mileage/timing is, once she has recalculated, before deciding whether to go back and do as we were told, or staying on the A road!! (Repeat as required)!

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Never ignore your satnav...she gets really upset when you refuse to do a U turn

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Quote: Originally posted by Bob61 on 30/9/2017
So, satnavs can be unreliable but nevertheless I have become pretty reliant on mine and although I take a map with me I hope the satnav gets me to where I want to go.



Same here, in all honesty.
I often like to have it on even when I know where I'm going, seeing as it reminds me of both the speed limit and of speed cameras ahead!
Have it on all the time in France, (and Spain in a hire car), for the same reasons, and most of the time in the UK. (It's illegal to pin-point speed cameras in France, but it shows a "Risk zone" or some such terminology).
I also tend to use cruise a lot, for similar reasons (don't have the limiter option).

Should be ordering a new car in the next couple of weeks or so. That'll come with an in-car sat nav, but whether I keep my TomTom handy or not remains to be seen.



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Sat navs are rubbish when compared to Google maps on the phone.Even more so now,many new cars come with some kind of app connect.

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The answer is a satnav is only as good as its programmer. If that is wrong then the satnav will be wrong. Do satnav websites request users to contact them if there are mistakes? If so then I would suggest users do just that then it will be corrected.

The road atlases & A to Zs I used in my 40yrs of truck driving invariably had small print asking to be advised of mistakes which could & were corrected in subsequent editions. I always did that because as a user it fell to me & others to enhance the experience for all users. Nothing is infallible & any form of mapping can benefit from input from real time users.

Personally I've never used a satnav but like a map it iwill only as good as the info contained in it. After that it is for the user to correlate that info as they see fit.

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Quote: Originally posted by HarryB on 30/9/2017
I have an in built sat nav in my mondeo, don't know what make. Some of the instructions are crass. The car is 2014 so no doubt sat nav is out of date. New sections of A1M don't show but the most stupid thing I know so far is in leaving the village where I live and travel 2 miles on a straight country road to the major junction I need, without fail it turns me left to a small hamlet on a very narrow, windy road and brings me back onto the road I have just left 1 mile further on. Crazy.

Incidentally I ask a ford dealer to update the card, they wanted 212. I told hime I could be a new one for less than that. Good old Ford



We have exactly the same problem with the SatNav in our Mondeo estate! What a pain, and the only way to update it is to go with the Ford option. Even then we're not sure it will be as up to date as it should be as even when we bought it a local road, where one of our sons works, which had existed for at least ten years, was not shown!

We don't actually 'use' the SatNav as a navigating tool (ie to plan a route), but OH often has it on as a live 'map' to show sharp bends in the road which are coming up, etc., which makes it easier to decide when to overtake, for instance.


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