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Topic: 4X4 ROAD TAX

Posted By: clanjones
Subject: 4X4 ROAD TAX
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 2:42am

How much did you pay for your road tax ? and when will it go to the £300 .. anyone know ?? i'm confused ..someone on a forum said it will not apply to me for some reason

I paid £180..for 12 months for 1st august to 31st July 2008 last week ..on line.. for my 1999 Toyota Landcruiser Amazon 4.2 TDA  ..superb towcar.. and I have towed caravans for 20 years 




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Posted By: maggie51
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 7:38am

my  brother in law has a 4x4 but its a m reg and he said he thought it didnt apply to him might be the older models it dosent apply to try putting query in google see if it sheds any light on it ro you sory i couldnt be of more help :)



Posted By: and1145
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 9:28am

It only applies to cars registered after 2006 and onwards. It is not just for 4X4's It is for all cars that produce 225mg of co2 or more. I have just paid £300 and will be paying £400 next year.

 

Andy 





Posted By: col7778
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 10:32am

Yes it only applies to newer vehicles as nobody holds co2 emmision figures for older vehicles, my pajero which needs tax 1.08.07 costs £180.00 a year (1992 model)  



Posted By: Carlight
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 11:28am

My Suzuki Grand Vitara will be £400.00 next year and that's only a 2 litre albeit with an auto box.



Posted By: Gowerray
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 12:06pm

My old faithfull, Betsy, the M Reg, 2.4 petrol Terrano11, luckily gets an old age discount, £180 (now) for the year. I was worried when all the rumours started flying about as well. Thank God the Government has given us a break. But for how long?
     As for the arguments against 4X4's, ask the two people I pulled out of the site last weekend when they got bogged down.





Posted By: pinkfloyd
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 12:09pm

I have a 1996 Toyota 4.2 VX Landcruiser (possibly best towcar ever made) and am told the tax increase does not apply to it as it is pre 2002.....shame !



Posted By: dirtydisco
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 2:03pm

3.9 V8, 17mpg on a good day, I say I already pay plenty tax. Luckily shes semi-retired now thru old age so still 180 a year. I pay exactly the same for that, a diesel discovery and a 1.8 daewoo. However the mileage I rack up means I pay more in tax than most.I can do 12000 a year just visiting the girlfriend, let alone we tend to go away together least once a month and the various competing we both do





Posted By: chook chaser
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 3:37pm

why is my 02 freelander td4 £205 a year :(



Posted By: dirtydisco
Date Posted: 23/7/2007 at 4:50pm

Quote: Originally posted by chook chaser on 23/7/2007
why is my 02 freelander td4 £205 a year :(
Beacuse you bought a new enough vehicle that emissions data for out the factory gate are available.  Road Taxes were increased to present an aura of greeness for the government, wheras they actually bear no resemblance to anything and are an outdated anacronism. It should be scrapped and replaced with some form of insurance sticker in the windscreen to act as a focus point for the only cop left in the county although with anpr systems even that is not as important as it used to be.



Posted By: Ant searcy
Date Posted: 24/7/2007 at 12:52pm

My 2004 Frontera 2.2 D.t.i. has just cost me £205.00 for the year. It even gives you the co2 figures on the renewal form. Highway and Robbery come to mind!!



Posted By: KGV69
Date Posted: 24/7/2007 at 3:38pm

Quote: Originally posted by Carlight on 23/7/2007
My Suzuki Grand Vitara will be £400.00 next year and that's only a 2 litre albeit with an auto box.

what year is your vitara , if you dont mind me asking

im looking at vitara's right now , as i want to upgrade to a bigger van

my budget only allows upto a 2001 5dr  20dt 107bhp surely this wont be £400 tax

how are they as tow cars , im looking to tow a 1250kg max van  with the vitara coming in at 1460kg





Posted By: gazmister123
Date Posted: 24/7/2007 at 3:42pm

I think the law applies to Post March 2001 (y reg onwards) We have a w reg 2.4 petrol terrano, Great tow car £175 a year to tax!





Posted By: littlejack40
Date Posted: 24/7/2007 at 9:42pm

Hi KGV69!

I think you will find tax on a 2001 vitara is £205, The £300 (£400 for 2007/8) only applies to vehicles first registered after the introduction of this so called gas guzzler tax, which I think was March 2005.

Regarding the Vitara as a tow car, every one will  have their own opinion, I was quite a fan of them, I had owned two petrol models (not used for towing) before buying a 2001 tdi for towing, my recommendation would be dont, suffice to say I got rid of mine after  a year of screaming turbo every time i touched the accelerator, and I was only pulling 1230kg, and changed to a santa fe, which tows like a dream. If you do get one only buy from a main dealer and with full service history.

little jack





Posted By: The 2 Tops
Date Posted: 25/7/2007 at 6:25pm

This is where the tax on 4x4's shows up for what it is; a stealth tax.  The larger vehicles before 2006 are more likely to belch out more CO2 and other contaminants than the newer, refined engines.  And 4x4's are not all automatically hit by this high level of tax.  The new Jeep Patriot, with a 2-litre diesel engine, has a road tax of £165

Bertie.





Posted By: Carlight
Date Posted: 25/7/2007 at 6:38pm

Quote: Originally posted by KGV69 on 24/7/2007
Quote: Originally posted by Carlight on 23/7/2007
My Suzuki Grand Vitara will be £400.00 next year and that's only a 2 litre albeit with an auto box.

what year is your vitara , if you dont mind me asking

im looking at vitara's right now , as i want to upgrade to a bigger van

my budget only allows upto a 2001 5dr 20dt 107bhp surely this wont be £400 tax

how are they as tow cars , im looking to tow a 1250kg max van with the vitara coming in at 1460kg




Mines a petrol as they didn't do an auto diesel and as it's strictly the wifes car she can only drive an auto on her license.

It was registered in June 2006 and at the time we had no idea we were going to get a caravan.
It tows my Carlight at 1100kgs max no problems although it uses the lower gears more on inclines but it is very sure footed at motorway speeds.





Posted By: Ramius
Date Posted: 26/7/2007 at 1:09am

Quote: Originally posted by The 2 Tops on 25/7/2007

This is where the tax on 4x4's shows up for what it is; a stealth tax. The larger vehicles before 2006 are more likely to belch out more CO2 and other contaminants than the newer, refined engines. And 4x4's are not all automatically hit by this high level of tax. The new Jeep Patriot, with a 2-litre diesel engine, has a road tax of £165

Bertie.




I couldn't agree more, I may as well buy an AEC Mandator and get classic vehicle = no road tax.

I pay £205 at present for a 2007 model and confused about these changes.

Off to the DVLA website again :)

Marc



Posted By: buzz
Date Posted: 31/7/2007 at 6:23am

as has already been said - the highest band road tax (£300 this year, £400 next) will apply to ALL cars producing more than 225g co2 which were registered after 23rd march 2006 (date of the previous budget). any vehicle registered prior to this date stays at the same band no matter how polluting it may be.

must be some logic in that somewhere.

seems like the scientists were right and the pot smoking government are entering their psychosis phase.

not that i'm bitter but i cant get my head round the fact that i have to pay double the tax for exactly the same car just cause i bought it in june rather than early march





Posted By: Mike Collier
Date Posted: 31/7/2007 at 7:12am

The tax bands do make little sense (except to the government I suppose).
In simple terms ask yourself the following questions:

Was my vehicle first registered before April 2001?

If Yes then it will continue to be taxed as a car (e.g. currently £180 - unless exempt).
If No then continue.

Was my vehicle registered before April 2006?

If yes then the current maximum is about £205, but your vehicle is taxed as per the emissions band system.

If no then your vehicle is taxed as per the banding system, but if the emissions exceed 225gCO2 then you are in the top band and will pay the so called gas guzzlers rate of tax.

Yes it is slightly bonkers, but one of the reasons is because before April 2001 there was no requirement for a manufacturer to certify the emissions.

Mike



Posted By: pete69
Date Posted: 10/8/2007 at 11:52pm

Hi, we have just had our road tax renewal for our Sedona 2.9CRDi and for a year it is £205. As this is the 'family' car and in the past year we have done 6548 miles in it that comes out at every 32 miles we pay one pound road tax. I have another car I use for work and travel about 20000 miles per year and pay £115 road tax (it is 1 gramme of CO2 above the £35 per year) but it works out at 174 miles per tax pound that is nearly 5.5 times further!. Surely there has to be a fairer system. Would it be possible to register or have your vehicle mileage checked every year and your emmisions taken into account to work out a personal road/emmisions tax as lets face it the money raised from 'road' tax is not invested in roads and the recent increases have been for 'environmental' issues. I used to live in Cyprus and their road tax was dependent on the weight of the vehicle and whether it was petrol or diesel. Diesel was charged at a much higher rate as this was considered by them as a commercial vehicle and at the time diesel was about 10p a litre with petrol being 55p so what you gained in road tax you lost at the pump.



Posted By: Bob™57
Date Posted: 11/8/2007 at 12:48pm

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524This may help





Posted By: shudawudacuda
Date Posted: 17/8/2007 at 6:11pm

So if I buy a 4x4 I should buy one registered before march 2001? to get normal road tax image: - forum_images/smiley29.gif



Posted By: Shytot4x4
Date Posted: 17/8/2007 at 8:02pm

Quote: Originally posted by shudawudacuda on 17/8/2007
So if I buy a 4x4 I should buy one registered before march 2001? to get normal road tax image: - forum_images/smiley29.gif


Yes, that's how it is. Although it doesn't just apply to 4X4s. Any car over 1600cc falls into the same tax band.
Until recently I had a X-reg (2000) Ford Explorer 4.0 litre petrol, 15mpg on a good day and it was/still is in the £180 band.
My current 1995 2.8TDi Frontera also falls into the same band.
My 1995 1.3 Skoda Favorit is in the lower £125 (IIRC) band.
It only gets complicated for vehicles registered after March 2001.

Simon H



Posted By: shudawudacuda
Date Posted: 17/8/2007 at 9:20pm

should we tax people who jog and go to the gym as their co levels must rise during exercise?perhaps we should save the planet by becoming vegetables. image: - forum_images/smiley36.gif image: - forum_images/smiley36.gif image: - forum_images/smiley36.gif image: - forum_images/smiley36.gif image: - forum_images/smiley36.gif



Posted By: MartyM
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 6:17pm

Panic over! it aint gonna happen, at the moment. image: - forum_images/smiley20.gif



Posted By: wizard9956
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 8:38pm

To check how much road tax you'll pay go here  http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/  use the Car Tax Search .

My daughters 2001 vauxhall Corsa 1.4 will cost £260 next year ouch!  

atb

Wizard





Posted By: MartyM
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 10:09pm

Quote: Originally posted by wizard9956 on 23/11/2008

To check how much road tax you'll pay go here  http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/  use the Car Tax Search .

My daughters 2001 vauxhall Corsa 1.4 will cost £260 next year ouch!  

atb

Wizard




It wont! if you check the news you will see our friend in need Gordon Brown has decided to shelve the proposed road tax rises.




Posted By: redz
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 10:27pm

Quote: Originally posted by Ant searcy on 24/7/2007
My 2004 Frontera 2.2 D.t.i. has just cost me £205.00 for the year. It even gives you the co2 figures on the renewal form. Highway and Robbery come to mind!!

Have a look http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/?deriv=15816here, in may be highway robbery, but in 2010 expect to pay £430.00 a year...

might not be quite the right car, but a wake up call for many to see the proposals.. 

  





Posted By: redz
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 10:34pm

Quote: Originally posted by chook chaser on 23/7/2007
why is my 02 freelander td4 £205 a year :(
it is now, but http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/look here, its gonna be £310.00 in a while 



Posted By: redz
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 10:43pm

Its a hard one, but many people are unaware of the rises in vehicle tax.. parkers is very good, and  gives you a concise figure, which should help in the search or replacement of a tow car.

 

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/look here 





Posted By: Steve W 77
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 10:43pm

My 2006 Sorento Auto is already £400, I paid this in September when I renewed my car tax online.

 

Steve W





Posted By: wizard9956
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 11:00pm

Quote: Originally posted by MartyM on 23/11/2008
Quote: Originally posted by wizard9956 on 23/11/2008

To check how much road tax you'll pay go here  http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/  use the Car Tax Search .

My daughters 2001 vauxhall Corsa 1.4 will cost £260 next year ouch!  

atb

Wizard




It wont! if you check the news you will see our friend in need Gordon Brown has decided to shelve the proposed road tax rises.



Haven't managed to find anything about shelving the road tax rises , all i've found is http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Gordon+Brown+road+tax&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGBThis .

atb

Wizard





Posted By: Jaydee55
Date Posted: 23/11/2008 at 11:21pm

Our Ford Maverick 2.0 XLT is going to cost us as follows :-

from 13 March 2008 - £210 

from April 2009 - £300.00

from April 2010 - £430.00

There is talk of Alister Darling postponing the road tax rises for a year in tomorrows pre budget speech. Who knows?  He should get rid of this retrospective tax altogether as all he'll end up with is lots of post 2001 cars still on the road because people can't sell them and therefore can't afford to buy anything else.  Stupid man!





Posted By: MartyM
Date Posted: 24/11/2008 at 6:23am

If you look http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/3429019/Labour-U-turn-on-car-tax-rises.htmlhere it appears the rises aint gonna happen for the moment, I would guess they never will in their present proposed form.

It might happen on new cars but I think the government realised their mistake by doing it retrospectivly. It was intrinsically unfair because people had already bought the cars.

Also it wouldnt stop the car existing, just make it worth less, so it would do nowt for the environment.

If they put higher taxes on new larger cars then people have the choice whether to buy or not.



Posted By: HelenaB
Date Posted: 24/11/2008 at 7:44am

Nothing for the Landy!



Posted By: 8342mat
Date Posted: 24/11/2008 at 7:39pm

page 135 answers the question

make sure you read the small print with the astrix.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/24_11_08_pbr_completereport.pdfhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/24_11_08_pbr_completereport.pdf

 

its a big :)  from me.

mat

 





Posted By: MartyM
Date Posted: 24/11/2008 at 8:08pm

Here yer go, less that what they orginally said.

Table 7.1: Vehicle excise duty for cars registered from March 2001
onwards; 2009-10, 2010-11 rates
VED band CO2 Standard Standard First-year
emissions rate rate rate
(g/km) 2009-10* 2010-11* 2010-11
A Up to 100 £0 £0 £0
B 101-110 £35 £20 £0
C 111-120 £35 £30 £0
D 121-130 £120 £90 £0
E 131-140 £120 £110 £110
F 141-150 £125 £125 £125
G 151-165 £150 £155 £155
H 166-175 £175 £180 £250
I 176-185 £175 £200 £300
J 186-200 £215 £235 £425
K** 201-225 £215 £245 £550
L 226-255 £405 £425 £750
M Over 255 £405 £435 £950
*Alternative fuel discount: 2009-10, A-I £20, J-M £15; 2010-11 onwards, £10 all cars
** Includes cars emitting over 225g/km registered between 1 March 2001 and 23 March 2006




Posted By: 8342mat
Date Posted: 25/11/2008 at 3:20am

martym thanks for typing it out, but K**, how you have shown it is confusing.

as this was the most contraversial band it needs to be clear.

the top price at the moment will be in 2010 - 2011 at £245. the £550 is a first year tax for vehicles in this group when bought brand new.

so in all a good result.

 

mat





Posted By: MartyM
Date Posted: 25/11/2008 at 6:32am

The last set of figures under 2010 is the amount of tax you will pay then on for the first yr of a brand new vehicle. ie buy a(brand new in 2010)1.4 diesel & the road tax is free for the first yr & £30pa thereafter. Buy a new Range Rover & you pay £950 first yr & £435pa thereafter.

Referring to K** (& upwards) I think it means the figures refer to cars registered from 2001, whereas A-J only applies to cars 2006 on.

Thats how Ive worked it out, but I could be wrong, we shall see.



Posted By: LegsDownKettleOn
Date Posted: 25/11/2008 at 11:01pm

Is it possible to have a vehicle reclassified? There are a number of things that can be done to reduce the ammount of CO2 produced from either petrol or diesel vehicles. Adding LPG or hydrogen spring to mind. Whilst these have massive effects on other pollutants, the efect on CO2 is relatively small, but nontheless do reduce the CO2 output.



Posted By: TammyCampers
Date Posted: 26/11/2008 at 8:24am

lol - LegsDownKettleOn,  i've always thought of it the other way round:  for example buying a Volkswagon TDI blue-motion which qualifies as cheap, or even free tax because of it's low CO2 output....  then superchipping it, fitting induction kit and dump valve,  sports exhaust and fat 19inch alloys!



Posted By: simon23
Date Posted: 26/11/2008 at 1:10pm

my ford ranger 57 plate is and will still be £180 next year plus the usual small increase as it is classed as a light goods vehcle even says it on tax disk not only going on the carbon out put it als



Posted By: MartyM
Date Posted: 26/11/2008 at 6:51pm

You cant have a vehicle reclassified, the Co2 output is established by the manufacturer for that particular model & thats it for the life of the car. It has nowt to do with the Co2 test at mot time.



Posted By: billy
Date Posted: 29/11/2008 at 10:32pm

So have all the new rates been abolished & everything staying as they as are, my 1.9d Berlingo was supposed to be going from £170pa to £260pa in '08, is this now not going to happen, Anybody know?



Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 30/11/2008 at 5:08pm

hi billy,enter your car here for the latest figures.

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/





Posted By: billy
Date Posted: 30/11/2008 at 7:04pm

Oh cheers for that Michael! its early 05 so staying more or less the same. image: - forum_images/smiley20.gif



Posted By: michael
Date Posted: 30/11/2008 at 10:14pm

welcome[:o)]
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