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Message posted by Bingfield16/8/2020 at 2:40pm
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We have recently purchased a 2016 Pennie Pathfinder.
We have to get a tow bar fitted
The pathfinder does not have a leisure battery
we plan to always have electric hook up
What pin for are new towbar is it 13 ? current owner I believe has ( with an adapter, many thanks

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When you say that the Pathfinder does not have a leisure battery, do you mean that it's just absent of one or there's no compartment to accommodate one?
If there is a compartment for a leisure battery then you need the 13 pin towing socket fitted.

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Hi, if you are going to have a fridge which you intend to run off the car while towing, and want to charge a battery while towing, you will definitely need 13 pin electrics, but if you don't want either, 7 pin will be fine. 7 pin is just for road lights.

You say the Pathfinder doesn't have a leisure battery. Do you mean that it has no facilities to fit one, or simply that it doesn't come with one? I'm not that familiar with the Pathfinder, but if it has any 12 volt electrics, lights, water pump etc, I would recommend that you do fit a battery if you can. It helps stabilise the 12 volt supply, and acts as a back-up for the internal lights and pump if the EHU fails.



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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 16/8/2020
When you say that the Pathfinder does not have a leisure battery, do you mean that it's just absent of one or there's no compartment to accommodate one?
If there is a compartment for a leisure battery then you need the 13 pin towing socket fitted.





It does have a battery box.

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We have a Pathfinder and only take the leisure battery when we are not going to have an electric pitch, otherwise the battery stays at home, I cant see the point in carrying all that extra weight. We dont use our fridge when towing for fear of damaging the Can Bus on our car I have known of cases where this has happened. Not requiring power to a fridge or to our leisure battery we are happy with our 7 pin connector.

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Thank you. yes there is a compartment the previous owners never used one.

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H Colin thank you for your reply. Previous owner never elected to have a battery as they only used EHU, even those there is a comartment for one.. the option I guess with a battery on board means as you say its a back up if EHU fails. Si its best to get 13 pin in both situations ?

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Quote: Originally posted by Bingfield on 16/8/2020
H Colin thank you for your reply. Previous owner never elected to have a battery as they only used EHU, even those there is a comartment for one.. the option I guess with a battery on board means as you say its a back up if EHU fails. Si its best to get 13 pin in both situations ?



If you are not going to want to charge a leisure battery when on the move, or want to run a fridge from the car's electrics when on the move, I would seriously consider whether 13 pin wiring was necessary. On my caravan I have the old system of two 7 pin plugs, which was replaced on later caravans with one 13 pin. I hardly ever bother putting the second plug in, as I can't run my fridge from the car as it's mains only, and I always have EHU which charges my leisure battery on site.

The 13 pin wiring is much more complex, and requires heavy wiring to be run from under the bonnet to the tow-bar. For simplicity and cost-saving I would only install 7 pin wiring to run the road lights. However, if you are intending to keep the car a long while, and think that one day you might opt for a caravan, it might be worth installing 13 pin from the start.


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Put it this way, if you had purchased the Pathfider brand new in 2016 it would have had a leisure battery fitted.
I'm pretty sure the dealer via Pennine would have told you that you needed the 13 pin connector.
If your car is pretty new the likelihood is that you would be advised by the fitter to have the "proper" wiring installed to prevent any damage or malfunctions to any onboard electrical functions in your car.
Only my opinion but with modern cars I think the days of splicing wires into the lighting circuit is a false economy, it's not a fortune to have it done professionally on its own fuse etc.
My other point would be I'm sure leisure batteries would not come as standard if the manufacturers did not deem them worthy of nclusion and could save money!
Only my opinion but make the investment at day 1 when you have the tow bar fitted, you don't have to worry from then on and you have the Pathfinder as it left the factory. In terms of your outlay a decent leisure battery is marginal.

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Thank you Colin thats very helpful

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Thank you Bramidian

Message posted by tango5517/8/2020 at 7:34pm
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It's not just about whether you use 12 volt or mains 240 volts. What you have to consider is that if you don't have a battery connected up then the battery clips in the compartment have a likely chance to make contact with each other especially in transit. If that happens it will blow a fuse leading to more unnecessary problems plus any feedback could cause damage the onboard charger which is more costly to replace than a leisure battery. Two occasions I know of where people have been scratching their heads wondering why the electrics have malfunctioned and when I advised to look in the battery box they finally found the evidence by not having a battery in situ. They didn't have a spare fuse either so an unnecessary trip to the car accessory shop.

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The 13 pin plug and socket is a far superior bit of kit than the old 7 pin kit which tends to fail every couple of years.

Have a 13 pin socket fitted to the car and if the Pathfinder needs 7 pin just buy a simple adaptor.

You do not have to have all the pins in the car socket connected so you can opt to not have fridge or battery charging wiring installed. This will save some money.

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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 17/8/2020
The 13 pin plug and socket is a far superior bit of kit than the old 7 pin kit which tends to fail every couple of years.

Have a 13 pin socket fitted to the car and if the Pathfinder needs 7 pin just buy a simple adaptor.

You do not have to have all the pins in the car socket connected so you can opt to not have fridge or battery charging wiring installed. This will save some money.



I don't know what 7 pin plugs and sockets you have been using Navver, but I've never had one fail in two years. When I was towing for a living I used the same 7 pin sockets and a lot of the 7 pin plugs for years without a single failure. I had the same 7 pin socket on the back of my Volvo for 9 years and it was still fine when I sold it. The 7 pin plug on my trailer has been on there 12 years to my knowledge, and as it was on there when I bought the trailer second-hand, it may have been on there for years before that. Still works fine.

Ok, so 13 pin is the new standard, and compared to having to connect up two 7 pin plugs it may be better, but there's nothing wrong with the 7 pin plug and socket if all you want is road lights.


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