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Message posted by AUSTINS24/9/2012 at 10:48pm
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Yes it certainly 'sucks'...sorry but if I did not laugh about it the alternative would be to cry. Nobody understands the complications of filling the onboard tank with this system. YOU CANNOT put an ordinary hose in the water inlet hole. You cannot pour water into it .The system is for a fully serviced pitch.( with water hookup. The price for that on top of normal pitch is just not worth the payment. JANA and I have been down this thread line previously. Fisrtly connect the flat hose to tap....secondly connect the flat hose connector complete with its block that locks it into side of van....THEN TURN ON THE  TAP...THEN TURN ON INTERNAL PUMP. Then stand for ( jana...we have achieved a 30 min fill up! ha ha) 2 mins while watching the internal pump read out and you do have to watch as after about 2 mins...the pump stops( and the tank is not even registering any water on board as yet. Continue for as long as it takes  by pressing and repressing and repressing the pump on button on control panel. This is why we do not like it. MMM did a test of a vehicle with this filling system and said they ( Not we, Jana and I that is ) It was o.k to carry a large container in your van!.. They should try it...where the devil do you put it. Full or empty , it still takes up room and will roll about whilst on the move. We carry water for drinks, and have always done so...even with a conventional filler, as water tank water is not in my mind drinkable. The cost of ripping it all out, I have no as yet gone down that route as we have been trying to make as much use of our van as possible. The weather has been against most of us all this season.Come NEC...and it will be a question to the builders of our particular vehicle...and I will also now ask Elddis...as that is what O.P has....heaven forbid someone else starts to use these things. Hope this now clears it all up. It is begining to make me angry again. Sorry. I am off to search whale filler points....as suggested.

Message posted by AUSTINS25/9/2012 at 12:18am
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WANGO, and PEPE63....Thanks for saying in your post pepe, that my original post was still available to view...it has now been carried over to the current forum.

Also please both note that most of the postees are not of help to either Wango, Jana, or myself. I believe the reason for that is...nobody of sound mind can get the brain to go in a backwards direction. The system cannot make sense to anyone. Why fit a tank 'on board' that if not at a fully serviced pitch is the most inconvenient idea to put into/onto a Motorhome? We shall speak out/up at NEC, as I do feel that someone should. Now I will definately find the time for this.Memo to self. Why in a very very expensive van with all concievable bells and whistles should anyone have to carry a secondary 'tank'. Usless. WANGO...read em all this post and the previous...you may fathom something out...but dont bank on it.


Message posted by pepe6325/9/2012 at 11:22am
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Quote: Originally posted by AUSTINS on 24/9/2012


 ...and you do have to watch as after about 2 mins...the pump stops( and the tank is not even registering any water on board as yet. Continue for as long as it takes  by pressing and repressing and repressing the pump on button on control panel. This is why we do not like it...

... It is begining to make me angry again. Sorry. I am off to search whale filler points....as suggested.


Sorry Austins..didn't meant to stir things up again..

But,being curious(nosey!)again..is that button a "Fill tank",rather than a "Pump on" button?..

..and is that "press button every 2 minutes" malarky,a "characteristic" of ALL these Whale/Truma installations?...

..or is that down to the(possibly faulty?)control panel..?

 

Chris

 

 


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As ive only had the one van - and not one with a cock-eyed filler system, this is new to me. These vans have obviously been designed by caravan people, and for the life in me i cant understand why caravans cant have onboard tanks like MH's, that fill without whales and bowsers.

What a ball-ache this system is, and if you stop off for a break, youve no access to water for anything in a caravan - dont know if these certain MH's are equally compromised? We do use the taps for filling the kettle - and we aint dead yet. It boils for christs sake.

I fill up on site, then top up from a 25l container and a 12v pump from the side of the van. I use a little trolley i got from a boot sale for a fiver for carting the container.

Message posted by Apple Tree25/9/2012 at 4:02pm
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I use a 15 litre plastic water carrier for drinking water and just use the tank water for washing duties but add aqua tabs to it to kill off any bugs.

Can the poster get easy access to the tank from inside the van ? My tank is under the bed/bench seat and has a round access port in it which unscrews. I fill the tank using the water carrier through here. You need a steady hand and a good aim but it comes with practice !  I can fill the tank using the outside filler but you need a watering can or a hose to get the water in and rather than bother with all this extra kit to carry and tidy up afterwards I find filling up through this access hatch using the water carrier the easiest to do.

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Message posted by pepe6325/9/2012 at 5:36pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Apple Tree on 25/9/2012
..... I can fill the tank using the outside filler but you need a watering can or a hose to get the water in and rather than bother with all this extra kit to carry and tidy up afterwards I find filling up through this access hatch using the water carrier the easiest to do.

Hope this helps.


This bit won't help Austins or Wango(sorry both )

Apple Tree.... I saw a "tip" in a MH mag' not so long back..It involved using a 90 degree bend of plastic downpipe..wrapping some runs of tape around the one end,until it was a snugt fit in the filler housing,so that it acted as a "rigid funnel"....I haven't got around to trying it yet...but it sounds better than having to faff about with funnels and bits of hose,as we sometimes do now...

Back on topic...Although I suppose filling via an inspection hatch,is one way around it,you shouldn't really be needing to lift settee cushions/bases and undoing  inspection hatches,to fill a 40-50k MH with water..... 


Message posted by joelewes26/9/2012 at 12:43pm
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I lost the cap on my water tank some time ago and couldn't find a new one that fitted (Elddis suggested I go to a scrap yard to find one and the van was only 2 years old (what?)).  So, I bought a new unit and it was simple to fit - but it did enter the van under a seat so was easy to access.  You just need quite a bit of waterproof filler/mastic.  Its been on quite a while now with no problems.

I carry a royal water drum and have a small electric 12v pump to fill up when I am not near a filling point that is accessible with a 5M hose - or I fill up before I set up on a pitch.


Message posted by pepe6326/9/2012 at 1:08pm
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joelewes...You should 've be able to get new caps?

I know I replaced the one on our Autoquest 120,when it wouldn't lock(..I think it was about a tenner from our local caravan dealer/spares place)

A bit late now I know but... 

  http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=water+filler+cap

 

 


Message posted by AUSTINS27/9/2012 at 12:03am
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I believe I have gone mad!

Message posted by pepe6327/9/2012 at 8:41am
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Quote: Originally posted by AUSTINS on 27/9/2012


I believe I have gone mad!

..and why would that be then...? 



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Message posted by joelewes27/9/2012 at 12:04pm
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Pepe63 - re a water cap. 

I did try at the local supplier but the cap they gave me fitted but only with the help of a large set of pliers!  It eventually snapped in half so I replaced the whole lot. I was amazed at Elddis not being able to tell me both who supplied the cap and where I could get a new one - apart from a breakers yard.  Not impressed by them but love my van!


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Odd, about that cap...

Re:Elddis. I wish you luck and I hope you never need anything important from them...!

When we first had our 120,between them and Discover..we were kept waiting 3-4 months just for a door decal("..they haven't sent it on the van..blah blah...sent wrong type..blah blah...")...

Then,about a year into our ownership,corrosion blisters started to appear along the lower side skirt,along with delamination of the battery locker door..

..and we were met with the same shambolic response again(mostly from Discover to be fair)but on contacting Elddis(via a lenghty letter),all we got in response was a pre-printed off list of their dealer network (who wouldn't touch it anyway because we bought it elsewhere)and a "With Compliments" slip!  

Needless to say,we haven't got it anymore.....

 


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thanks to all,i will try & make it to nec & let elddis know what an ass of  a water top up,thanks again,wango

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Message posted by AUSTINS28/9/2012 at 10:33pm
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Pepe63......The 'I believe I have gone mad' statement was because I had typed a quite funny, and very accurate account of start to finnish fill up. I posted it in the normal way and it never landed.....I dont have the energy to attempt to do it all again, sorry but I just muster the enthusiasm. It was an answer to all of the folk who offered advice, and an insite to the minds of the folk who decided to use the rather ridiculous 'system'. It may possibly have reached the daily papers, as did our 'saucy' surprise in the Autotrail Luton Overcab17 at last years NEC show.17Yes of course I shall be looking 'upstairs' again this year.

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Perplexed by this! We have a Truma filler, which I assume is the same as being described - a small entry hole and an electric socket next to it, into which the appropriate adapter is fitted. We have one adapter on the end of a 25 metre food grade hose. To fill up, just plug the adapter in, secure two the [ridiculously fiddly!] little plastic clips to clamp it in place, connect the other end to a tap and turn on. Takes too long - about 10 minutes - to get up to the 90 litre capacity but no need to do anything on the control panel other than watch the '% full' display.

We also have an adapter attached to a pump that we can use to suck up water from an external container should we wish. We started off carrying fresh and waste containers but now prefer to move the van to fill up and discharge if we're on site for any time.

Is this the same as the system described here?

Message posted by AUSTINS30/9/2012 at 3:57pm
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ERIC.....whish that it was mate...We have to use the control panel ( and press continually) as the sucking(!) pump will not operate without. It controls the fresh water intake...if not on, water sprays everywhere like golf course watering system. I am not going to use serviced pitches, far too much money. I am also not going to carry a secondary water 'tank' to be filling up from into the onboard tank. This (my) system as it is, should never have been fitted to a motorhome. 30 Mins is the quickest we have managed to fill our tank.

THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR OFFERINGS....I THINK ALL HAS BEEN COVERED NOW. Please though, check your filling systems prior to purchase of any van you may be after, new or preloved....17 

 



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