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Message posted by j.sim10103/10/2006 at 7:47am
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Thanks for the messages.

We have just bought our first motorhome, and have the 2 'up-front' seats and the rear lounge with 2 side facing seats.

It is a 4-berth van so when we take our foster child they have to be able to sit on the side seat. But now I am a bit worried about their safety. I think I will take the advice about the dogs too as the front seat passenger had to keep making room at their feet for a dog to join them.


Message posted by DianaK11/10/2006 at 1:57pm
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Does anyone know if the seatbelt law in Europe, mainly France & Italy, is the same as in the UK.  My inlaws have just purchased a campervan and would like us all to go to Italy next year, only thing is there are 5 of us and only 4 seatbelts.

Message posted by djchapple14/11/2006 at 4:57pm
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Another problem associated with seats with/without seat belts is that of insurance.

Are you sure that you are covered by your insurance to carry passengers in seats without seat belts?

My insurance is with Safeguard and one of the questions asked is "How many seats are fitted with seat belts" and this started me thinking

I queried this with them and they said that I can carry as many passengers as there are seats, the front seats must have seat belts and must be used and all other seats that have seat belts must e used. Also young children must be carried in appropriate seats.

Message posted by Andy-M15/11/2006 at 3:06pm
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As far as I am aware, and don’t quote me, the laws on the continent have forced the issue with regards to seat belts in the rear of motorhomes. (Brussels again - Belgium only good for beer and chocolate). All motorhomes abroad will need to have fitted seat belts in the rear as of next year (hence if you look in the catalogues you will not find any with longitudinal seating plans). But if you have a vehicle that already has this seating arrangement, manufactured before that date, with no seat belts then you are covered by the UK law within that foreign country and are exempt. (the same with very old cars that do not have seat belts).

My Rapido is rated as 4 berth, only has 2 front seat with belts, but also seating for 4 others in the rear, the V5 document specifies it as a 4 seater, (even though no seat belts) I have contacted both the DVLC and the insurers on this and they say that if the unit was not fitted with seat belts then it is Ok as it is a longitudinal seat.

This is all a very murky area, so best to check your V5 documentation to see how many persons it is actually marked for carrying, that number is the number you can official take without any affect on your insurance, you can carry more but there could be issues with the insurance company if you have an accident.

I am happy to travel in the UK and abroad with the seating arrangement we have, I have no problems with my children being in the back with no seat belts (and yes I am a caring parent before some do-gooder says otherwise). Driving a motorhome is very different to driving a car, with cars you take things for granted with regards to cornering, stopping, accelerating etc, but with a fully loaded motorhome that is very different,

.. sorry about the rambling bit at the end, I just think that this country has got to the state where you can not think for your self, and everyone is walking around in bubble wrap.

 


Message posted by terry195615/12/2006 at 9:49am
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Hi, in answer to the question of seat belt laws in France I can answer for sure. Having just had my motorhome registered in France. The motorhome is based on a ford chassis, and had two further seats set behind the two front cab seats, both these seats had lap belts. These two seat belts had to past a FOR FITNEST TEST, which we could not do, and no one in france could do. So they had to be taken out. It was no good showing the EU number on the belt, or buying new ones, as the test encluded the anchorage points. The only way round it was to have the log book stamped that the motorhome could only carry two people not four. seat belts are a big no no for side ways facing seats. I know that the french are odd, but was told that these new laws would find their way into the UK sooner then later. In fact if you look at the PSV test set by the MOT they enclud a seat belt and anchorage test.

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Message posted by Andy-M15/1/2007 at 5:48pm
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If a seat belt is fitted it MUST be worn, in the rear. If no seat belt, ie for longitudinal seating then you do not have to use them.. Look on your V5 document as to how many people it says the vehicle is designed to carry, ours says 4 even though only 2 seat belts are fitted. I also checked this with the insurance company and they say that what ever is on the V5 goes.

But best to check with your insurance company beofre making any assumptions, at the end of the day its them that will either pay up or not if there is an accident


Message posted by davelo518/1/2007 at 8:51pm
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Andy-M

"Look on your V5 document as to how many people it says the vehicle is designed to carry, ours says 4 even though only 2 seat belts are fitted."

I have just purchased a motor caravan and it does not state in my Registration Certificate how many passengers I can carry, it's left blank ???



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Message posted by jay gross04/2/2007 at 8:17pm
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have you managed to get belts fitted if not you could try a gentleman called kiaron at premier creations 07817756133 i found him and his colleages very help full

Message posted by davelo505/2/2007 at 4:52pm
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Thanks Jay

 

There are two fitted when I purchased the van, forward facing. The rear facing do not have any, could I carry two passengers without seat belts?

 

 



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Message posted by jay gross06/2/2007 at 9:20pm
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as far as i know there is no legislation on rear facing seats but i will double check

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Message posted by Griswolds12/2/2007 at 12:06pm
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There are 2 many variants of MH and seating configurations to comment  – we have a 5 berth that can seat 6 very comfortably. It came with the forward facing 3 point seat belts, but the rear facing seats had nothing.  Looking at our LB it gives no reference to how many people we can carry legally and I am insured for 6

 

I have just had 2 rear facing lap belts fitted at a cost of £240.00 and the company came to me, great company and a great service. They gave a full explanation of how the belts worked before they took payment and cleaned the inside of the van before they left. I can't remember the company's name but will look tonight and advise if you are interested.

 

They only operate inside the M25, but came out to me in Essex at an additional £10.00 seemed reasonable to me!

 

My advice is that if you want to carry people in the seats without belts –then add them, regardless of how careful we are at driving, you only need a single incident to cause serious injury.

 



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Message posted by Eric12315/4/2007 at 7:21pm
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have you got a name where i can buy seat belts from

ericjonesolton at hotmail.com


Message posted by splitwidow20/4/2007 at 6:18pm
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Hi there we have a 1965 splitscreen camper, at the moment we are just having the inside made and have decided to have seat belts made even tho for its age they arent needed, its alot safer and puts my mind at rest with the children.


Message posted by Mikey7210/5/2007 at 3:32pm
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Hi,

re the previous comment about children, bear in mind any child under 3 MUST have a proper car seat, and seat belt, and any child up to 12 Must have a proper car seat, if a belt is used, since July 2006

"Children 3 years and over can only travel in the back of a vehicle without seat belts (e.g. a classic car) and those under 3 years cannot be carried at all.

"Child from 3rd birthday up to 135cms in height (approx 4'5") (or 12th birthday, whichever they reach first) - Correct child restraint must be used where seat belts fitted. Must use adult belt in rear seat if correct child restraint not available"

Motor caravans are not exempt, even by age if the children are under 3

http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/advice/seatbelts.htm


Message posted by iang3816/5/2007 at 1:40pm
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hi
just had my renault master fo an mot yesterday and the two side facing seats used for leisure only had the belts tested [as and i quote they are fitted so must work ]
van failed on smoke and handbreak [boohoo ]not bad for 14yrs old i suppose

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Message posted by Carolbay17/5/2007 at 1:32pm
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Hi, even tho it is unadvisable to fit a side seat belt I am prepared to take the risk to ensure that my grandchildren have the forward facing seats.  The company we are collecting our van from will not fit a side seat belt as they say it is against regulations now to do so.  Reading the strings it does not  seem to me that my arranging the fitting of a side seat belt is illegal - am I right in thinking that?  If so does anyone know anyone (professional) that would fit a belt in the Gloucester area?  Please feel free to berate me if you think I am being stupid to do this!

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