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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 14/1/2021
I can work in either metric or feet and inches, but the one thing I can't do is visualise metric. If someone says that something is 2 feet 6 inches long, I can picture it, but say 850mm and I don't have a clue unless I have a ruler handy. Speed and distance is not quite such a problem as I know that 80km is 50 miles.




I used to work in both up to a few years ago when i was landscaping - often laying paving. And because of that, i can say you are 4 inch out on the 850mm for 2 foot six, Colin.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 14/1/2021
I can work in either metric or feet and inches, but the one thing I can't do is visualise metric. If someone says that something is 2 feet 6 inches long, I can picture it, but say 850mm and I don't have a clue unless I have a ruler handy. Speed and distance is not quite such a problem as I know that 80km is 50 miles.




Me too,I am quite happy with using the two systems and convert, kms no problem as I spent 5 years in Germany and have travelled extensively.

Some RAF students asked why they had to use imperial, some aircraft being old were imperial, some US made. I was told some used both!
I have told them you really do not want to mix up psi and bar if working with pressurised systems like hydraulics or pneumatics.

An airliner actually had to glide into land in Canada or US as it ran out of fuel. Refuellers had mixed up imperial and metric units. Oops!

I still have imperial and metric tools,I owned an old Land rover and a fair few British cars in my younger times when you fixed them yourself.


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I happily worked with Imperial and metric units, especially temperatures.
Working in chem labs I used celsius on the bench, for room temp and 'the weather'. However my oven was in Fahrenheit, and I used 98.4 for body temp.

I still cook in lbs and ounces, as my favourite recipes are very old. I use a balance kitchen scale with 2 sets of weights, so can use modern metric recipes too too.


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Just after we changed to metric, I went to the local sawmill to buy timber for a diy job.
I asked for some 2 x 4.
"Sorry" said the lad serving, "we've gone metric."
So I though about it for a moment and said "OK 50 x 100."
"Oh yes we have some, how long do you need it."
More careful thought on my part and then worked it out "2 metres will be ideal, please."
The lad looked at me somewhat puzzled, then said "We sell it by the foot"

Enough said.


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I had a student turn up for the maths exam which allowed calculators.
He forgot his and asked if I would lend him mine.
I gave him my book of mathematical tables!

Shock horror " what are these sir?". "What we used at school!".
I then gave him a calculator as we kept a couple in case of calculator failure or forgetful students.
I bought my first calculator for RAF tech course in 81, Casio fx81 which I still have and works fine.

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14/1/2021 at 6:46pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 14/1/2021
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 14/1/2021
I can work in either metric or feet and inches, but the one thing I can't do is visualise metric. If someone says that something is 2 feet 6 inches long, I can picture it, but say 850mm and I don't have a clue unless I have a ruler handy. Speed and distance is not quite such a problem as I know that 80km is 50 miles.




I used to work in both up to a few years ago when i was landscaping - often laying paving. And because of that, i can say you are 4 inch out on the 850mm for 2 foot six, Colin.



That was a pure guess Mick, just a figure picked at random really. Still don't know whether it's 2 foot 10 or two foot 2 though.


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14/1/2021 at 6:57pm
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Quote: Originally posted by 664DaveS on 14/1/2021
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 14/1/2021
I can work in either metric or feet and inches, but the one thing I can't do is visualise metric. If someone says that something is 2 feet 6 inches long, I can picture it, but say 850mm and I don't have a clue unless I have a ruler handy. Speed and distance is not quite such a problem as I know that 80km is 50 miles.




Me too,I am quite happy with using the two systems and convert, kms no problem as I spent 5 years in Germany and have travelled extensively.

Some RAF students asked why they had to use imperial, some aircraft being old were imperial, some US made. I was told some used both!
I have told them you really do not want to mix up psi and bar if working with pressurised systems like hydraulics or pneumatics.

An airliner actually had to glide into land in Canada or US as it ran out of fuel. Refuellers had mixed up imperial and metric units. Oops!

I still have imperial and metric tools,I owned an old Land rover and a fair few British cars in my younger times when you fixed them yourself.




Likewise, I used to do all my own repairs. I have a variety of tools as the first cars I had used BSF and Whitworth, the next ones AF, then metric. My boats had 1950s BMC diesel engines which were all AF, but now I don't do my own car repairs as everything is computerised. I still build stuff and repair stuff though.


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14/1/2021 at 7:52pm
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Anybody here from engineering background who remembers the acronym
Eat Good Jam Leave None?

It related to the sizing of bolt threads in 1/16 increments, but I can't recall whether it was stamped on A/F, BSW or BSF bolts.

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some days you are the tree.

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At last, something good about BREXIT. Now we can all go back to good old imperial. How many want to?

I straddled the changeover as well designing electrics for buildings along with Architects etc. There were some vey expensive mistakes made in the confusion. Unfortunately buildings existed before the change and any equipment after had to be correctly ordered to suit.

Ceiling tiles were 2 foot but metric would be 600mm. There was half an inch difference. Similarly doors and windows etc and bricks/blocks etc.


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Our Architects struggled so had scale rules made which produced drawings at 1/100 or 1/50 scale etc as opposed to the imperial versions of 1/8th inch to a foot or 1/4 inch to a foot which equated to 1/96th or 1/48th.

They did simplify things. They were marked in feet and inches.


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With pretty much the whole known world using the metric system (apart from just 3 countries I believe), I can't think what could possibly be a good thing about returning to the old Imperial system of measurements.

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The metric system is only useful because people had 10 digits on their hands..

Mathematically a system based on 12 or multiples thereof is far superior.
That is why we use
days = 12x2 hours =12x5 minutes = 12x5 seconds.

Similarly 1 degree = 60 minutes =60x60 minutes.
       
          1 person from Essex = 12 people from the rest of the UK

and so on


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Considering 2 metres is actually 6 foot 6 inches even the government got it wrong in asking people to stay 6 feet away from each other...no wonder the virus spread like wildfire!

...and, if two people meet and they both stay 6'6" away from each other, does that mean the gap between them should be 13'?

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I wonder if the UK will remain with a 50mm. diameter towball or change to an imperial measurement in the future?
I can see that being a huge problem in more ways than one.


15/1/2021 at 11:10am
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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 15/1/2021
I wonder if the UK will remain with a 50mm. diameter towball or change to an imperial measurement in the future?
I can see that being a huge problem in more ways than one.



I believe we did used to have 2 inch tow-balls at one time but I've never seen one and I towed my first trailer nearly 50 years ago. I certainly don't see us going back to them. I also can't see Britain ever going back to imperial measurements just for the sake of it, as most kids today simply don't understand them. It would cost too much too.


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I was a Maths teacher for many years, teaching the four operations in different number bases was a challenge. Just as it was learning how to do ir when i was a child.
When subtracting £ S and D you would have to “ borrow” 12 pence from the Shillings column and 20 shillings from the £ Column.
With Stones Pounds and Ounces you would be “borrowing” 16 or 14.
Miles, furlongs, chains, yards involved 22, 8, 10.
And that was just subtracting, had to add, multiply and divide in many bases too.
It all formed a good base for understanding.



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