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18/3/2021 at 7:20pm
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If there is a fight between the pyracanthus and the fencers I think the bush would win! We had that trained all over the back of our house when we bought it, right up to the upstairs. Now that was a battle to remove.

As your deeds show you own all the fences, which sounds uncommon, Id be tempted to check your neighbours deeds to make sure they tally and that there was not an error in the conveyancing. You can order copies through Land Registry, atleast that way if there is ever any debate about them you will have conclusive proof of what is in your and their deeds. Not too sure how much it costs to see them, a few pounds I would guess.


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We are trying to get the pyracantha to meet in the middle, with only about 1 & 3/4 panels left it wont be long before it takes over the fence.
The reason she wants to come into our garden is because the fencers wont be able to lift the panels over her 8' tall bamboo and Red Robin. On our side we have a very nice Red flowering Quince also with spikes.

I will check about the ownership of fence.


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Quote: Originally posted by Bob61 on 18/3/2021
If it is just the fence panels being replaced then normally the old panels can be slid out of the retaining clips and the new panels slipped in. That can be done from the owners side without stepping foot into your garden. If you have chosen to grow shrubbery up your neighbours fence then that is not their problem. If removing their own panels damages your shrubbery because it is attached to their panels that is down to you I am afraid.

My advice would be to trim back any shrubbery on your side so that your neighbour can remove the panels without totally annihilating your shrubbery. If you do that, your shrubbery will grow back again fairly quickly at this time of year and peace will reign for the life of the new panels.

It is a case of helping each other out rather than creating a dispute as you will benefit from the nice new fencing as well.



I totally agree.

Your neighbour wants to replace his 20 year old fence panels and has had the good grace to communicate his plans to you. You're basing your concerns on the fact that when the fence posts were positioned 20 years ago, it caused some disruption to your newly-planted garden (you say the properties were new then). 20 years of growth on shrubs will make them difficult to trample now, won't it? Trim them back a bit to make the job easier for all, they'll soon grow back.

You don't actually have a right to grow things up your neighbour's fence without permission, so if you want to keep your pyracantha where it is it might be better to look for ways to work with your neighbour rather than looking for ways to be obstructive.

A new fence will ultimately be to the benefit of all and, if it lasts for twenty years like the last one, a small inconvenience now will surely be worth it?

You refer to your neighbour's 'perfect garden'. I can assure you it's preferable to having a neighbour who doesn't care a jot about their garden or boundary fence! Sounds to me like you're worrying unnecessarily and a bit of friendly communication and working together is what's needed here!



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The presence of a "T" on the deeds doesn't legally determine who owns that boundary fence etc unless it is written in the deed.
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Its ok advising the OP to 'trim back his shrubs'. But, the neighbour has picked the worst time (for a garden) to do this work. And, not all shrubs can/should be pruned in Spring. The OP could lose all this years flower/new growth. Maybe if the neighbour had mentioned this last back end, something could have been sorted easier. Also, it isnt the OP's fault that this neighbour has also got a huge hedge in front of the fence (why would you anyway?!?! - look at the land you are losing with 2 boundaries.), necessitating all the work be done on the OP's side damaging plants. This neighbour has seemingly got a very nice garden, but obviously not that bothered about HIS neighbours garden.


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Spring is the best time to prune pyracantha.
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March 1st until 31st of july It is illegal to interfere or damage or cause birds to forsake their nests,this is why building companies started netting trees and hedges to make sure they wouldn't have any nesting birds.

So for your purposes IF as you say they have a full length mature hedge backing up to the fence then I suspect there will be birds nesting already I have two blackbirds building in my hedges at the moment (or it might be the same one Hedging its bets )


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We topped the pyracantha and cut it back from the top of their fence.The pyracantha is now free standing its not attached to their fence, and the Birds still there. The hedges on their side are ornamental srubs. they are clipped close to the fence, with no room to lift the fence panels out,(their problem not mine).
I will give them permission to replace the fence panels only where the gravel is and not on the garden,

I will post out come. The new panels arrived this morning.

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Quote: Originally posted by romany on 19/3/2021
March 1st until 31st of july It is illegal to interfere or damage or cause birds to forsake their nests,this is why building companies started netting trees and hedges to make sure they wouldn't have any nesting birds.

So for your purposes IF as you say they have a full length mature hedge backing up to the fence then I suspect there will be birds nesting already I have two blackbirds building in my hedges at the moment (or it might be the same one Hedging its bets )



If I didn't cut my hedges until 31st July they would be ten feet high and wide - lol. They get cut when they need cutting and the birds had better watch out...never found any nests yet though


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Quote: Originally posted by Richie55 on 19/3/2021
We topped the pyracantha and cut it back from the top of their fence.The pyracantha is now free standing its not attached to their fence, and the Birds still there. The hedges on their side are ornamental srubs. they are clipped close to the fence, with no room to lift the fence panels out,(their problem not mine).
I will give them permission to replace the fence panels only where the gravel is and not on the garden,

I will post out come. The new panels arrived this morning.

Richie.

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Not quite what you said before:

'We are trying to get the pyracantha to meet in the middle, with only about 1 & 3/4 panels left it wont be long before it takes over the fence.'

Good neighbours and a well maintained boundary are worth a little inconvenience every 20 years, IMHO.



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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 19/3/2021
Also, it isnt the OP's fault that this neighbour has also got a huge hedge in front of the fence (why would you anyway?!?! - look at the land you are losing with 2 boundaries.), necessitating all the work be done on the OP's side damaging plants. This neighbour has seemingly got a very nice garden, but obviously not that bothered about HIS neighbours garden.



Sorry Mick but, how is that obvious? If the neighbour is willing to install a new fence - entirely at his own expense - even though it's not entirely visible from his side, doesn't that suggest he/she IS bothered about how it appears from the adjacent garden? Also, the OP has stated the neighbour has 'trimmed ornamental shrubs' close to the fence, not a 'huge hedge'.

The OP says they went halves with their neighbours for the fence on the other side of their property, yet seems to begrudge this neighbour installing new panels onto existing posts. It sounds a bit more of a personal issue with this particular neighbour rather than simply an issue with replacement panels (a job which will probably be done and dusted in a day, and benefit them both).

Maybe the OP could be outside lending a helping hand to hold the shrubs back (while social distancing, of course) to ensure the job goes smoothly and amicably?

We've just treated our boundary fence. We have trimmed ornamental shrubs close to it so I fastened webbing straps around each one, to hold the stems together and therefore reduce the girth of the shrubs until the work was complete and dry. Where that wasn't possible, I placed a board between the shrubs and the fence and gently levered the shrubs forward to allow access to the fence panels, protecting the budding leaves. Maybe the OP could suggest his neighbour tries something similar? Where the branches were still too close to the fence, I trimmed them back. No real harm was done and the fence is now protected for a few more years.

With a bit of thought and common sense - from everyone - the fence panels can surely be replaced without igniting a neighbour's war.


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Quote: Originally posted by lidds0 on 20/3/2021
Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 19/3/2021
Also, it isnt the OP's fault that this neighbour has also got a huge hedge in front of the fence (why would you anyway?!?! - look at the land you are losing with 2 boundaries.), necessitating all the work be done on the OP's side damaging plants. This neighbour has seemingly got a very nice garden, but obviously not that bothered about HIS neighbours garden.



Sorry Mick but, how is that obvious? If the neighbour is willing to install a new fence - entirely at his own expense - even though it's not entirely visible from his side, doesn't that suggest he/she IS bothered about how it appears from the adjacent garden? Also, the OP has stated the neighbour has 'trimmed ornamental shrubs' close to the fence, not a 'huge hedge'.


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OP ''The fence was put in with the smooth side to face them, also they have put hedging all up on their side and cannot get to the fence''

OP ''They are just replacing the panels, they destroyed our garden years ago when they replaced the wooden posts then the guy who did it didnt care that about our garden, we were not the one who was paying him, he flatten just about every plant, They cant even see the fence panels because of their hedges''.

OP ''Everyhing is ok as long as she gets her own way, the hedge or ornamental shrubs have been grown up the fence there is no way the panels can be lifted from her side smooth side to her , it would damage her perfect garden''.

OP ''The reason she wants to come into our garden is because the fencers wont be able to lift the panels over her 8' tall bamboo and Red Robin''.

This is what the OP said. 'Trimmed and ornamental' it may be, but at 8 foot tall? Not 'small'!


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The fence panels are not 20 year old, we think they are about 12 years. They were painted last year and the tops replaced, there was only one that is behind their oil tank needed replacing. Their hedges run fom the top panel 12 to panel 7, they are trimmed ornamental, only 6' tall, panel 6 their oil tank,panels 5-4 8'Bamboo 3-2 8' Red Robin, we had a window put in out dinning room, you cant see into their garden,(she was invited in to see what was done) this was planted on their side. Panels 12 & 11   pyracantha, 7,8,9,Pyracantha the branches will eventually meet in the middle, the Pyracantha has always been kept at 6' as the older we get the more difficult it would become if they got any taller. Panel 1 trimmed hedge at their backdoor.

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Have you discussed what colour they are going to be just in case they clash with your pyracantha?


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Quote: Originally posted by Richie55 on 17/3/2021
They are just replacing the panels, they destroyed our garden years ago when they replaced the wooden posts then the guy who did it didnt care that about our garden, we were not the one who was paying him, he flatten just about every plant, thats when we put in the Pyracantha its over 20 year now...

Richie



Sorry, was just going by what you said earlier.

It seems likely it won't be the same thoughtless people doing it now so hopefully they'll do a good job and your mature shrubs won't be harmed.

It looks like we'll all be spending some time in our gardens this summer so let's hope we can all enjoy some good weather.




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Quote: Originally posted by Richie55 on 20/3/2021
They were painted last year and the tops replaced...

Richie.



So did your neighbours come onto your property las year, to do the maintenance and repairs Richie? Was any damage done then, which is perhaps causing you to worry now?



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