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Message posted by ROG.19/9/2013 at 2:27pm
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Some drivers are getting a little confused after the changes on 19/01/2013 so perhaps this might help to clarify a couple of things ....

 

For ALL those towing with a B licence no matter when they got it ....

The EXTRA rule for B licence towing is ...

The vehicle GVW added to the trailer MAM (or MTPLM) must not toal more than 3500 kgs

The rule where the trailer MAM must not exceed vehicle kerbweight is revoked for all B licence holders but the way in which the DVLA has written that is not made clear

 

Those that pass BOTH B and B+E after 19/01/2013 are restricted to a trailer MAM or caravan MTPLM of 3500 kgs so that is likely to affect virtually nobody unless they are towing a trailer needing more than over-run brakes

 

I hope that dispels a few of the confused DVLA writings on these matters



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Message posted by ROG.30/9/2013 at 4:24pm
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Hi
can you help me are there any plans to change the car license for towing again. I passed my test 1987. But some one had told me that DVLA are going to remove the category for towing more than 3500 tones.

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Quote: Originally posted by treborminty on 16/5/2014
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can you help me are there any plans to change the car license for towing again. I passed my test 1987. But some one had told me that DVLA are going to remove the category for towing more than 3500 tones.



For those that have the B+E the EU have imposed a retrospective rule which states that the maximum MAM on B+E is now 3500 kgs

As those who passed B+E before 1997 also have C1+E then they are covered for trailers over 3500 MAM .... BUT as those C1+Es have a 107 code then the maximum total GVW/MAM cannot exceed 8250 kgs


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Message posted by Lauraloo103614/6/2014 at 3:50pm
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Is their a percentage they will let you go over by, I am on a license that is limited to 3.5 tonnes I ve just brought a two berth caravan and not thinking about the weight realised I would be 38kg over the 3500 limit, do you think this would be a problem, realistically its an mpv car with only two occupaints so its unlikely to reach the MAM weight

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Quote: Originally posted by Lauraloo1036 on 14/6/2014
Is their a percentage they will let you go over by, I am on a license that is limited to 3.5 tonnes I ve just brought a two berth caravan and not thinking about the weight realised I would be 38kg over the 3500 limit, do you think this would be a problem, realistically its an mpv car with only two occupaints so its unlikely to reach the MAM weight


Over by 38 means you are not driving in accordance with your licence = punishable

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Message posted by Kelper30/6/2014 at 10:07am
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Quote: Originally posted by Lauraloo1036 on 14/6/2014
Is their a percentage they will let you go over by, I am on a license that is limited to 3.5 tonnes I ve just brought a two berth caravan and not thinking about the weight realised I would be 38kg over the 3500 limit, do you think this would be a problem, realistically its an mpv car with only two occupaints so its unlikely to reach the MAM weight



Is there something in the caravan that weighs 38kg that you can 'unplug' and carry in the car? I do realise that that doesn't change the overall train weight ... but might allow you to reclassify your van to appear to fall into the right weight limit?
Also ... might be worth taking your entire rig and weighing it on a public weighbrige ... see if you really are over the 3.5K.

Message posted by ROG.21/9/2014 at 9:23am
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As this was done in 2009 and many changes to the laws and the test have occurred since then does this sticky thread need a new one compiling?

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Message posted by Tony Burton16/12/2014 at 4:42pm
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The information given here is now out of date. Check it out on DVLA.gov.uk

It is now based on the Maximum Authorised Mass of the towing vehicle not the unladen or kerbside weight.



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Message posted by ROG.16/12/2014 at 6:39pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Tony Burton on 16/12/2014

The information given here is now out of date. Check it out on DVLA.gov.uk

It is now based on the Maximum Authorised Mass of the towing vehicle not the unladen or kerbside weight.




This Gov PDF is up to date - see pages 7 to 10
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208103/ins57p.pdf




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I've recently received several queries from Club members who are about to turn 70 and find it's time to renew their driving licences. In a nutshell, just before your 70th birthday you should receive a renewal form from the DVLA for a photocard licence.

If you tow a caravan with a car then you simply need to renew your licence because the key category B+E (for cars and trailers totalling a weight of up to 3500kgs each) is retained 'Grandads Rights.'

Should you wish to drive something heavier than 3500kgs you must retain Category C1 on your licence To do this you will need to send in the completed medical report form D4 with your renewal application. Your Doctor will fill this in but be aware there's a cost involved The same applies for Category D1 which is for minibuses.


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Quote: Originally posted by maggie51 on 05/1/2019
I've recently received several queries from Club members who are about to turn 70 and find it's time to renew their driving licences. In a nutshell, just before your 70th birthday you should receive a renewal form from the DVLA for a photocard licence.

If you tow a caravan with a car then you simply need to renew your licence because the key category B+E (for cars and trailers totalling a weight of up to 3500kgs each) is retained 'Grandads Rights.'

Should you wish to drive something heavier than 3500kgs you must retain Category C1 on your licence To do this you will need to send in the completed medical report form D4 with your renewal application. Your Doctor will fill this in but be aware there's a cost involved The same applies for Category D1 which is for minibuses.



If you pay more than 60 for a D$ medical then you have been ripped off
Google D4 LGV medicals to get it for as low as 40



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I obtained confusing information . I had never towed a caravan before so thought i would phone the DVLA to ask about weights n stuff my licence only allows me to drive upto 3.5 ton however when speaking with the advisor at the DVLA i was informed i could drive a combined weight(car + trailer) of no more than 4.2ton . I can find no evidence of this online anywhere so a little confuzzled

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Linsay, hi, also live in france. You do not need hgv. Over 750 kilos, you need BE, which is car plus caravan. I moved here 16 years ago, and they simply swapped uk for french licence.   I have Coachman pastice, which i had to stop towing once i passed 70 as every year you needed a medical and had to re apply for licence. Now tow 720 kgs folding van on B licence. john

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Appreciate this reply will not be seen by original poster, but it might help others. john

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Quote: Originally posted by Bastian on 01/8/2019
I obtained confusing information . I had never towed a caravan before so thought i would phone the DVLA to ask about weights n stuff my licence only allows me to drive upto 3.5 ton however when speaking with the advisor at the DVLA i was informed i could drive a combined weight(car + trailer) of no more than 4.2ton . I can find no evidence of this online anywhere so a little confuzzled


It is actually a max of 4.25 tonnes on a B licence
You can tow a 750kg plated MAM trailer with a 3.5 tonne GVW transit for example

The max 3.5 combined total for B licence towing comes into play when the trailer is over 750kgs plated MAM


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