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Subject Topic: Aquired/Grandad rights..BE CAREFUL
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Message posted by BRYANMITCH on 30/7/2014 at 12:55am
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Very recently been to court..no specifics...but had to do a lot of research and am passing it on to you.I am not looking to enter into any arguments and you may not believe what I say...but you are free to choose whether to act or not.A lot of caravanners out there will be towing on aquired rights..sometimes referred to as grandad rights because they passed their test ages ago..and feel very secure in this knowledge.What I have learned very recently is almost unbelievable and very hard for me to prove..but have a read and you decide. DVLA and VOSA have now merged and are known as DVSA . I have inside information that they are using a process called "stealth" to remove categories from your licence if you have never sat a test for that category!This is being done if and when you return your licence for reasons such as change of address--new photo--renewed medical etc. A virtually unknown fact is that you need to ASK for your aquired rights and not assume they will automatically be put on your licence. This will of course be denied by any official from DVSA..Ask around your friends if they have lost any categories during recent licence returns..I have found a few.Should you find a missing category or more..the onus is then on you to prove you had it.You only have a short time to do this from when they issue your licence and most of that time is used up waiting for your new licence to arrive.Cant prove it in time and its gone..and you will be booking a test to tow your caravan which you have happily towed for years .DONT expect any help from DVSA in tracing your old licence from way back as you will be told that due to data protection act they dont hold records for more than 5 years..and you shouldnt have your previous licence because it should have been surrendered or reported lost/stolen.My advice is PHOTOCOPY your licence before sending it off..and check/act quickly when your new one arrives.Perhaps enquire about your aquired rights and get some sort of record?Should you fall foul of this "mess" you could be charged with driving other than in accordance with a licence/failure to display l-plates/driving unaccompanied and possibly insurance related charges. Now the towing season in in full swing you will find VOSA/DVSA are very interested in you!! You dont have to believe me. I hope you do..and your friendly Vosa/Dvsa officer wont back me up either...but It must be worth looking into if you value your licence.As said before..Im not looking for an argument and I dont need paragraphs of the road traffic act sent to me...this is FACT from my own personal experience.Good luck and stay safe.

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Message posted by pompeyjon on 30/7/2014 at 1:09am
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Great Post. I 3 years ago decided to get a photo licence after much nagging . I also kept 4 photocopies of the 2 licences i have,. One a BFG licence and a UK licence with all categories shown. Self protection. I have been driving since 1974 and i be buggered if i will let the can fine you,ban you can spy on you state get one over on me. Thanks again for the heads up

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this has been going on for years. i work in the haulage industry and hear of hgv drivers getting caught out after changing details like addresses,being charged for driving without a licence and loosing there jobs due to blunders at dvla

Message posted by jeff juke on 30/7/2014 at 6:39am
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Anything to do with DVLA i send it registered post..

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Message posted by brianconwy on 30/7/2014 at 11:27am
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My licencesays these categories (B,BE,C1,C1E,D1,D1E) last until I am 70. I will definitely photocopy my licence and ask for these to be carried over.

Message posted by Grampian91 on 30/7/2014 at 12:14pm
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Its not just the inherited rights. Its just the DVLA were crap.

On the motorbike and HGV forums there were more than a handful of people that had their licence returned with categories removed.

The issue comes proving you had them, Unless you had a copy of the licence or prove the dates you passed your test there are risks of losing them.



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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

Message posted by denmau on 30/7/2014 at 12:39pm
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aw glory! mutter **##!!?? ....Iv'e just sent mine yesterday.....what a bummer.

what can i do? am I in the lap of the gods??? HELP!!!


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Message posted by Bob61 on 30/7/2014 at 1:29pm
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I recently had to renew my licence because the photo had expired. I hadn't heard of these problems but automatically checked when it was returned. Driving licences aren't the easiest of things to understand these days but as far as I can tell all my categories from motorbikes to minibuses and towing are still there.

I quite believe the OP in what he says although I tend to feel this may be more a case of incompetence and computer errors rather than deliberate. It seems that these days if the computer says 'no' then no human individual will spot it or even be in a position to amend it even if he does.

Nothing is checked against previous records as data protection is so tight that ordinary office staff have no access to them. Neither do they have the ability to update computers nor do they know who does have that ability.

Call me paranoid but I check everything these days. Whenever I buy anything I check the bill. I check the item for faults. I check everything that is sent off for updating and photocopy it beforehand if I can. It has become routine since nothing ever seems to go without a hitch these days and there is no quality control or supervision in the workplace. Workers take no pride in their work any more. All they want to do is get through the day and get home again...then get paid at the end of the month whether they have done a good job or not.

Sadly that is the way of the world today and everyone has to look after his or her own interests.

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Message posted by VangoMan02 on 30/7/2014 at 2:13pm
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Thanks for the heads up..I have never owned a photo license..still got the old paper one, passed my test in 1970.
Was going to send off for a photo license, basically as a means of having photo i.d., my bus pass photo is so dark it could be anyone.

Will make sure I get a couple of photocopies..

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Message posted by denmau on 30/7/2014 at 2:24pm
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Bob61...I am the same, check everything and i do agree with your other comments.

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Message posted by bigstu99 on 30/7/2014 at 7:12pm
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When I renewed my photo card licence I tick the box that says you have lost it so if there was a problem I had a hard copy ,as I have towing rights and hgv aswell .

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Message posted by RTS5 on 30/7/2014 at 7:56pm
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A few years back Watchdog did an item on motorbike users loosing rights due to errors by DVLA. Ever since then I have photocopied anything I send to them. As said it is up to you to prove you had them to begin with.

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Thanks, will remember to photocopy OH's when he comes up to 70.

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Always scan both sides of photocard (or old paper one) into PC before sending

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Message posted by jamesA114 on 31/7/2014 at 9:44am
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any ideas what I can do,as just sent my licence off on tuesday 29th...... doh! then i found this thread..spooky!
as i have motorbike licence & caravan, and i'm over 70.

should i contact them???

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