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Message posted by Francais on 05/8/2016 at 7:47pm
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Could this be the first sensibly priced all electric car that can tow.

Maybe not for towing a caravan, but at first glance it may be ok for 750kg none braked trailer.

also with 200 mile or more range per charge, and Turbo-Charging in less than an hour, getting to the Cote d Azur from Manchester, could be dooable me thinks!

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I bet the range is nothing like that when you stick a trailer behind!

And "sensibly priced"???

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I doubt a trailer will have much effect on the range if any.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 05/8/2016
I doubt a trailer will have much effect on the range if any.



That would depend on how big the trailer is!

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 05/8/2016
I doubt a trailer will have much effect on the range if any.



That would depend on how big the trailer is!




With a 750kg trailer behind it I'd be surprised if you got more than a third of the solo range. Also, charging batteries that quickly may be ok on the odd occasion, but doing it often would very quickly ruin them.

Battery-electric cars are great for short distances, when charged up slowly overnight, but they are not really suitable (yet) for long journeys. A friend of mine has an electric Nissan.



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Yep, but it would appear that the Tesla has the edge when it comes to the battery technology, the Tesla can use Tesla specific charging stations which can get you back upto 200 miles range in 30 mins, and the battery it would seem can handle this.

Reports from the US are saying that folk are doing 2000 mile journeys, using the Tesla Turbo Charging stations along the way.

The Tesla 3 model should be here sometime during 2018, and I think it is going to be a real game changer in the EV market.

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So where are these Tesla charging stations. I haven't seen one round here.

Might be OK for a small low trailer but not for a caravan due to the huge wind resistance requiring much more power.

Need to be able to get a tow bar fitted as well.

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Yep navver, I drive a firms car, and a couple of years back they looked at us having the Prius, but that fell through due to our mileage of 30k+ miles that we do, some 80 odd cars in the firms fleet.

Also the Prius is not type approved for the fitting of a towbar, although folk do fit them.

The Tesla 3 will be type approved for towbar fitting, which knocks most other EV cars into a cocked hat on that aspect alone.

It will be interesting to see when the Tesla 3 comes to market here in the UK, as for Turbo Charging stations I agree, work needs to be done on that front, that's for sure.

I really admire Tesla for what they are doing, it's almost like the Apple of the car world!

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Well I certainly hope the Tesla 3 is all it is claimed to be, but it remains to be seen. We will only know for sure once it has been on the road for a few years.

Personally I have my doubts about the batteries, particularly the turbo-charging. If the batteries can take such rapid charging repeatedly without being prematurely destroyed, then the Tesla really will revolutionise motoring. I hope it does, but I have my doubts. I really hope my concerns prove groundless.

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The press are saying that the Tesla 3 will break the company if it all goes wrong.

Have a look at theTesla battery, giga factory, that they have built to meet the demand of producing 500,000 Tesla 3 models each year, all very interesting it has to be said.

In fact the giga factory as far as I am aware is for battery production only, the cars are made elsewhere.

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It's all well and good having zero emission electric cars, but where does the electricity come from to charge the batteries? A dirty coal fired power station, which is on average around 30% efficient. A diesel engine on the other hand is around 40% efficient, and a petrol engine somewhere between the two.

In reality this clean energy is the dirtiest of all.

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Dutch reg Tesla here in south west France. How did he do that?

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Amazing that autopilot is legal, even if did save a life and then kill another!

Cruise control gone mad if you ask me.

Will look into the details for autopilot, but it seems well dodgy from the little I know about it.

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Thing about any battery is that it degrades over time. The range quoted on these vehicles is under ideal conditions (no heater, demister, air con, lights, headwind) and on day one of leaving factory. After five or six years it'll be six or seven grand for replacements.

Tesla are doing good work but improvement still needed in technology.

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Electric cars cost a fortune to buy then depreciate like a stone. Cost wise it probably isn't worth it. Many folks lease the batteries and that is expensive. Folks buying 2nd hand probably don't want to take he big risk.

I have test driven a Nissan Leaf and found it really good to drive. Loads of poser, good acceleration, silent. I thought then it would tow well but subject to the battery life.

At work they put in loads of charging points but no way of charging the user. So they allow plugging in all day for 10 per year. That is pretty good.

They will also work well with alternative energy at home. Any surplus solar power, for instance, can be dumped into the car battery. Any surplus power in the battery can be used in the house.

When we get smart meters with variable charging bands throughout the day, you can charge the car when it is cheap.

Maybe, if the smart metering info can be released to the DNOs, car charging can be switched off at times of low energy availability such as when a cloud goes over.

Lots of things can happen but will take time for it all to come together.


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