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Message posted by Rhj296 on 05/8/2017 at 4:55pm
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We might find the charging storage can be held in the caravan.
Pushing up the weight but ........

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120kg extra weight from the base model to the 310 mile range model. Some caravans will be pushed to cope with that.

Although they are not making the base models with the lesser range yet.

The chargers i have seen at the services are usually near the entrance so no chance of getting a caravan/trailer near them. The layout at some services would make it impossible to park up and unhitch and then drive around to the charging bays.

Captain Kipper, google the Model X towing across America? Canada> I mentioned it a few pages back.
They have an online blog, they mentioned the 300 or so miles Tesla X had a genuine range of 250miles. But when towing that halved and dropped to 80 or 90 miles if tehre were hills.

Currently they are selling the lower range models and its not as cheap as they have said as yet.
Estimated £26k? Now its £31k for a car they wont yet make, extra range model is £40k or £42k? But again thats pushed up with a lot of extras currently, which it seems you wont get a car if you dont have them.

Lots of pre-orders, but only $1000 needed. Back in 1988 jaguar took deposits of £50k for the XJ220. What was your house worth in 1988?

Why have the factory workers got the first cars?

And still Tesla lost another £250m in the last 3 months.


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These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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I think the factory workers may have got cars first to see if there are any niggles, Tesla will not want recall issues when they are producing there highest volume car.

Also to get these first 50 cars out, they may have used the 18650 Cell battery pack, and not the new 2170 Cell battery pack, if the build of the battery pack is anything like the "S" and "X" models, then swopping out the battery pack takes just minutes.

Also there was a rumour that the 2170 Cell may be for the Tesla Power Walls, and that the Model 3 may even be using the yet unseen 4416 Cell as it would only take around 2500 Cells instead of 5000 or so Cells if using the 2170, the 4416 Cell is of course a much larger Cell than previously used in Tesla cars.

Elon Musk did comment that the "S" and "X" would not be using the 2170 Cell, which makes me think that all Tesla's will be using the 4416 Cell going forward.

I am not sure if using the 4416 Cell will push up the range of the 'S" and "X" but going of the 310 mile range of the long range model 3 it may well be the case.

Interesting that Tesla are now not talking battery pack size with the Model 3, so no P60, P75, P80, P90 or P100 badge on the Model 3.

In fact they are only making the 75Kwh battery pack Model 3 at the moment, the short range Model 3 with the 55Kwh? battery pack is not set to start untill the end of this year.

In fact I don't think anyone really knows the battery pack capacity in the Model 3 at the moment.

The 4416 may not even refer to the Cell type, it could just be the number of 2170 Cells being used, in fact the most upto date news does indicate that Tesla will in fact be using the 2170 Cells in the Model 3, make of that what you will.

I don't see the point of having two battery pack options on the Model 3 they should have just gone for the one option 75kwh 310 mile version, as I believe in the old saying "What Will Do More Will Do Less".

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Wow, that explains everything, it's so much clearer now.

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Yep, to make it appear like they are in full scale production give the workers the first cars. Tried finding one for sale?

Not one car showing up anywhere. Rather odd that. So there must be some agreement to prevent the cars being sold on.

Makes me wonder if they have just given the cars to the workers and none have been paid for.

I bet there are more than a few who will pay 3 or 4 x the advertised rate to get a car now.

Same as that blog i mentioned towing the teardrop, smells a lot of just being a big advert. I do wonder if they are employed by Tesla to do the trip or at least given the car for doing it and keeping a blog.

The actual specs are rather thin on the ground at present. Again thats very odd for a car thats supposed to be in full production.

I wonder if the only people to get the cars will those that ticked every single option on the list. Pushing the price up near the price of the S and X models.



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Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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Quote: Originally posted by blueexpo97 on 06/8/2017
Wow, that explains everything, it's so much clearer now.



👍😀 I am totally enlightened now also. 👍😀

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Yep seen that Captain, seems that there is a lot more to the Model 3 than we ever new.

Very possible that 500 mile range is on the cards, no wonder Tesla are being coy about the tech specs.

It really does look like the Model 3 will be the game changer that we have been waiting for.


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500 mile range maybe on the cards but there again so is a 2000 mile range. But will we all live that long? Or will it be our childrens grandchildren?



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Range is improving but recharging can take a while, filling with fuel takes a short time and away.
I think the hybrid with the engine acting as a generator is better, or fuel cell technology using hydrogen.

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Difference is you don't wake up with a full tank of fuel every morning, whereas I wake up with a full battery. Think of it like having a little slow petrol station at your house, that costs a tenth of the normal ones. If you had one of these how often would you use other petrol stations that are 10x more expensive? This is the reality of having an electric car.

They really only need to sort out range, as a 500 mile car would mean you won't need to charge on the road. They already exist but like the first of anything new and cool, they're expensive and the reserve of the wealthy. But to think they won't come down to affordable prices is to ignore a pattern that happens again and again in technology.

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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 07/8/2017
Difference is you don't wake up with a full tank of fuel every morning, whereas I wake up with a full battery. Think of it like having a little slow petrol station at your house, that costs a tenth of the normal ones. If you had one of these how often would you use other petrol stations that are 10x more expensive? This is the reality of having an electric car.

They really only need to sort out range, as a 500 mile car would mean you won't need to charge on the road. They already exist but like the first of anything new and cool, they're expensive and the reserve of the wealthy. But to think they won't come down to affordable prices is to ignore a pattern that happens again and again in technology.



Lucky you having a charging point on ones drive, what if you live in a terrace with no garage or drive? A block of flats? Where are you going to charge your EV then.

Not everyone, in fact probably the majority of people do not have the luxury of a "little slow petrol station" at their house.   What a wonderful world it would be if we can all park right next to out charger every night.

In fact I could charge 4 cars at my little garage........But I ain't, my big diesel guzzling 4x4 pick up truck, SUV and caravan take up the space! 😀👍 Although I only have half a tank of diesel in the SUV, bugga, I am going to have to re fuel in 300 miles time!

That is the reality.





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I really don't see the issue Mike, you have managed so far by not having a Petrol/Diesel pump at your home.

So for folks who can't charge at home, it will be just a case of visiting your local fast charger, and the EV is then good to go for the next day's use.

I am glad that I don't own my own fossil vehicle, as I am sure that the resale value is about to drop through the floor, especially a diesel guzzling 4x4!

I look around and see all the ice cars on the road, and can't help thinking that they are all doomed.

Even BMW and Mercedes etc are having a meeting this month, to try and work out why they are still making ice vehicles, having noticed that Tesla has got 400,000 pre orders for the Model 3, and more orders comming in at the rate of 1,800 per month.

If you ordered a Tesla model 3 today, you are not likley to get it until 2019, and that's with Tesla producing 40,000+ cars per month when they reach full ramp up by next year.

I guess the writing is now firmly up on the wall for the demise of the ice vehicle, as we know it.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 07/8/2017
But I ain't, my big diesel guzzling 4x4 pick up truck, SUV and caravan take up the space!


Good look filling up with diesel over the coming years. Nobody's going to be opening new petrol stations when everyone's buying EV's.

You might need that slow little diesel pump at your garage after all :-)

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 07/8/2017

I am glad that I don't own my own fossil vehicle,



How do you think the majority of the power for your "non fossil fuel car" is currently generated, and will increase as the demand for power increases.

To think an EV does not rely on fossil fuel is sheer naivety. Sorry, but I will continue to cut out the middle man and just chuck it straight in my tank.

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