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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 09/8/2017
Yep 18,000 vehicle fires in the UK alone each year, although I am not sure how many of that number were attributed to EV's but I am guessing almost zero!
Look at the stats for the U.S.A. 174,000 vehicle fires in 2015.
Vehicle fires are more common than you may think, of course about a third are arson, for the insurance.
I am on the road a lot in my car 40k+ miles each year, and have been doing that kind of mileage and more since 1980, and see at least one burning car at the side of the road each month, none have been EV's though!
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Great comparison, around 36,652,000 cars on British roads, around 47,000 are full EV. I am so glad I never went to university!
Obviously arson does account for a chunk of vehicle fires in the UK, but the EV that caught fire and totally burned out in Wickford, Essex, while on charge sat outside the owners house overnight, would worry me a tad. The cause......An electrical fault! Really!
The issue is not the numbers, it is the effect "Burning Lithium" has got a certain ring to it.
Look guys, I really hope you are right. A vehicle that has a GENUINE low carbon footprint (EVs are far from that) can do 500/700 miles solo, can tow up to 3.5 tonne up and down steep hills (I live in Devon) and still do 300 miles on a tank/charge and does not take an age to fill up.....But it ain't an EV, certainly not in the foreseeable future.
Have you any idea of the drain on the grid if you had 100s and 100s of service stations with 100 Tesla Super chargers each pulling 72amps each. The facility would need its own mini power station, and as much as I like domestic solar, please don't say Solar or wind. A massive back up generator would need to be installed, as they are now, running on? Now let me think!
Just one power outage at a major service station could bring the area to a standstill........Get that diesel generator going. 😀
Why would you ignore my post above about how my EV draws ZERO electricity from the grid for 8 months of the year? Is it because it doesn't fit with your stubborn notion that EV's are not low carbon? Sorry if this sounds harsh.
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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 09/8/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 09/8/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 09/8/2017
Yep 18,000 vehicle fires in the UK alone each year, although I am not sure how many of that number were attributed to EV's but I am guessing almost zero!
Look at the stats for the U.S.A. 174,000 vehicle fires in 2015.
Vehicle fires are more common than you may think, of course about a third are arson, for the insurance.
I am on the road a lot in my car 40k+ miles each year, and have been doing that kind of mileage and more since 1980, and see at least one burning car at the side of the road each month, none have been EV's though!
Post last edited on 09/08/2017 07:00:42
Great comparison, around 36,652,000 cars on British roads, around 47,000 are full EV. I am so glad I never went to university!
Obviously arson does account for a chunk of vehicle fires in the UK, but the EV that caught fire and totally burned out in Wickford, Essex, while on charge sat outside the owners house overnight, would worry me a tad. The cause......An electrical fault! Really!
The issue is not the numbers, it is the effect "Burning Lithium" has got a certain ring to it.
Look guys, I really hope you are right. A vehicle that has a GENUINE low carbon footprint (EVs are far from that) can do 500/700 miles solo, can tow up to 3.5 tonne up and down steep hills (I live in Devon) and still do 300 miles on a tank/charge and does not take an age to fill up.....But it ain't an EV, certainly not in the foreseeable future.
Have you any idea of the drain on the grid if you had 100s and 100s of service stations with 100 Tesla Super chargers each pulling 72amps each. The facility would need its own mini power station, and as much as I like domestic solar, please don't say Solar or wind. A massive back up generator would need to be installed, as they are now, running on? Now let me think!
Just one power outage at a major service station could bring the area to a standstill........Get that diesel generator going. 😀
Why would you ignore my post above about how my EV draws ZERO electricity from the grid for 8 months of the year? Is it because it doesn't fit with your stubborn notion that EV's are not low carbon? Sorry if this sounds harsh.
No need to apologise for sounding harsh, it bothers me not, I dealt with harsh every other day of my working life. I have broad shoulders and skin like an Elephant.
But I am genuinely sorry if you think I ignored your post, if you had not ignored my posts you would have read, a couple of times, that I am all for domestic Solar, to the extent that, and I repeat myself, no new build property, extension or major refurb should be constructed without solar panels where practicable, it makes total sense. They have their limitations, there has been hardly any sun here for days, but I do like them. I do, at least, see the point.
However, I have had costings done for my property, a detached bungalow with huge roof, just over 9.5k. Now I have that in loose change, but am I going to invest that kind of money in something that will take decades to get back, with reduced tariffs? No. I will spend it on Diesel for my vehicles that do exactly what I want and, indeed, need them to do. A Nissan Twig or Leaf, whatever the rubbish is called, is about as much use to me a a Vegetarian Menu at a restaurant. Ok for a pootle around the town or city to get your shopping or pick up the kids, but I don't do any of those things. I hate towns for a start. 👍😀
Sorry to be harsh.
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 10/8/2017
99% of car accidents are caused by driver error, anything that can reduce that is welcome in my book.
I believe that autonomous self driving cars (vehicles) will only truly come to being, when non autonomous vehicles are taken of the road, as I don't think you can mix the two.
Tesla Autopilot was a bad choice of name, it should have been Tesla Driver Assist, as that is what it is.
Tesla are soon to demo a cross U.S. autonomous drive, of course for legal reasons the vehicle has to have a driver behind the wheel.
The car will even go and find a charger station itself, along the journey, and charge autonomously.
Whilst regular vehicles remain on the road, this will be an accident waiting to happen!
As a few have found out computers don't get it right 100% of the time also.
Watch their test drives, why does it stop so far away from other cars approaching red lights, just asking to be rear ended?
One video a car approached from a junction on the left and the Tesla slowed yet it had right of way.
May have been the same video, on what we would call a decent A road single lane each way, plenty of room. 2 pedestrians on the pavement the car stopped???
They speed the video's up because some of those junctions appear to be taken a bit wide and not smooth.
Why across america? Why not London or Paris? Sounds like a Top Gear or Grand Tour challenge. One team races from the south of France to London, the other team do it backwards, you must go through the city centre's at rush hour. And back again unless your dead of course. Cynical me? 
I would like to know how many of those miles they reckon the cars have done without accidents, have been on test tracks and empty roads?
Back in the late 70's/Early 80's? There was a bus in Birmingham that drove itself. No computers needed. Although a mostly straight line although a bit uppy and downy 1/4 mile if that?
It went down the middle of the carriageway, in its own section. 2 rubber rollers attached to the steering swung out and steered it. What a success (not). Nan lived close to it.
I thought wouldn't a normal old fashioned tram be a better option. Somebody else must have suggested it because they built one of those as well.
Yes driver assist would have been a better name. But why have they not clamped down on the fact it knows the driver is not doing anything so why not slow down until they take action? Will it sense if a driver is asleep?
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These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.
Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 13/8/2017
From the onset of my post, I never eluded to the towing of a caravan, I don't tow a caravan, just a small Trailer, the drag factor of which is arguably less than that of a RoofBox.
The Tesla Model 3 also has proper anchor roof points for the mounting of a roofrack, jus like the Model S.
Personally the thought of towing a caravan around does not appeal to me, if I was ever to get a caravan, I would have it permanantley at a campsite in the South of France, that also does storage.
Sorry, totally my mistake.
I thought this was the towing section of the forum, with this particular topic "Tesla 3 Towing"...........Silly me.
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