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Message posted by bessie500 on 09/8/2017 at 11:27am
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Look guys, I really hope you are right. A vehicle that has a GENUINE low carbon footprint (EVs are far from that) can do 500/700 miles solo, can tow up to 3.5 tonne up and down steep hills (I live in Devon) and still do 300 miles on a tank/charge and does not take an age to fill up.....But it ain't an EV, certainly not in the foreseeable future.

only time will tell,    as already said a haulier is currently trailing a batch of HGV trailers with an electric drive axle powered by batteries stored between the I-beam’s, the combined trail weight is 44 tonnes. this are being used in everyday enviroments so will encouter all types of steep hills and terrain.

Personally if I had a ev id charge it at work or at night at home, id only ever need a charge station on really long journey’s and since Scotland and Cornwall are both within charge range, that should be ok.
If towing then you just have to factor having a brew or 2 on route. Let’s face it nobody should tow 300 miles without a break anyway.

should also be cheaper than a £90 fill up as well

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 09/8/2017
Yep 18,000 vehicle fires in the UK alone each year, although I am not sure how many of that number were attributed to EV's but I am guessing almost zero!

Look at the stats for the U.S.A. 174,000 vehicle fires in 2015.

Vehicle fires are more common than you may think, of course about a third are arson, for the insurance.

I am on the road a lot in my car 40k+ miles each year, and have been doing that kind of mileage and more since 1980, and see at least one burning car at the side of the road each month, none have been EV's though!

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Great comparison, around 36,652,000 cars on British roads, around 47,000 are full EV. I am so glad I never went to university!

Obviously arson does account for a chunk of vehicle fires in the UK, but the EV that caught fire and totally burned out in Wickford, Essex, while on charge sat outside the owners house overnight, would worry me a tad. The cause......An electrical fault! Really!

The issue is not the numbers, it is the effect "Burning Lithium" has got a certain ring to it.

Look guys, I really hope you are right. A vehicle that has a GENUINE low carbon footprint (EVs are far from that) can do 500/700 miles solo, can tow up to 3.5 tonne up and down steep hills (I live in Devon) and still do 300 miles on a tank/charge and does not take an age to fill up.....But it ain't an EV, certainly not in the foreseeable future.

Have you any idea of the drain on the grid if you had 100s and 100s of service stations with 100 Tesla Super chargers each pulling 72amps each. The facility would need its own mini power station, and as much as I like domestic solar, please don't say Solar or wind. A massive back up generator would need to be installed, as they are now, running on? Now let me think!

Just one power outage at a major service station could bring the area to a standstill........Get that diesel generator going. 😀



Why would you ignore my post above about how my EV draws ZERO electricity from the grid for 8 months of the year? Is it because it doesn't fit with your stubborn notion that EV's are not low carbon? Sorry if this sounds harsh.

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Yep 18,000 vehicle fires in the UK alone each year, although I am not sure how many of that number were attributed to EV's but I am guessing almost zero!

Look at the stats for the U.S.A. 174,000 vehicle fires in 2015.

Vehicle fires are more common than you may think, of course about a third are arson, for the insurance.

I am on the road a lot in my car 40k+ miles each year, and have been doing that kind of mileage and more since 1980, and see at least one burning car at the side of the road each month, none have been EV's though!

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Great comparison, around 36,652,000 cars on British roads, around 47,000 are full EV. I am so glad I never went to university!

Obviously arson does account for a chunk of vehicle fires in the UK, but the EV that caught fire and totally burned out in Wickford, Essex, while on charge sat outside the owners house overnight, would worry me a tad. The cause......An electrical fault! Really!

The issue is not the numbers, it is the effect "Burning Lithium" has got a certain ring to it.

Look guys, I really hope you are right. A vehicle that has a GENUINE low carbon footprint (EVs are far from that) can do 500/700 miles solo, can tow up to 3.5 tonne up and down steep hills (I live in Devon) and still do 300 miles on a tank/charge and does not take an age to fill up.....But it ain't an EV, certainly not in the foreseeable future.

Have you any idea of the drain on the grid if you had 100s and 100s of service stations with 100 Tesla Super chargers each pulling 72amps each. The facility would need its own mini power station, and as much as I like domestic solar, please don't say Solar or wind. A massive back up generator would need to be installed, as they are now, running on? Now let me think!

Just one power outage at a major service station could bring the area to a standstill........Get that diesel generator going. 😀



Why would you ignore my post above about how my EV draws ZERO electricity from the grid for 8 months of the year? Is it because it doesn't fit with your stubborn notion that EV's are not low carbon? Sorry if this sounds harsh.



No need to apologise for sounding harsh, it bothers me not, I dealt with harsh every other day of my working life. I have broad shoulders and skin like an Elephant.

But I am genuinely sorry if you think I ignored your post, if you had not ignored my posts you would have read, a couple of times, that I am all for domestic Solar, to the extent that, and I repeat myself, no new build property, extension or major refurb should be constructed without solar panels where practicable, it makes total sense. They have their limitations, there has been hardly any sun here for days, but I do like them. I do, at least, see the point.

However, I have had costings done for my property, a detached bungalow with huge roof, just over 9.5k. Now I have that in loose change, but am I going to invest that kind of money in something that will take decades to get back, with reduced tariffs? No. I will spend it on Diesel for my vehicles that do exactly what I want and, indeed, need them to do. A Nissan Twig or Leaf, whatever the rubbish is called, is about as much use to me a a Vegetarian Menu at a restaurant. Ok for a pootle around the town or city to get your shopping or pick up the kids, but I don't do any of those things. I hate towns for a start. 👍😀

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 08/8/2017
Less crash's in a Tesla car, per miles covered, compared to other makes, it does make you think.




You quote that, but how many of those miles are genuine buyers using it in towns and cities with the self drive active?

How many of the miles counted were on their empty test track?

The 2 self drive racecars that i think crashed without completing a lap says it all really.

That crash should not have happened, the system should have slowed down or stopped if the driver had no intervention. The system is flawed in that case fatally..

I have had to recover cars after accidents and have never attended a fatal one with a yellow car, does that mean they never happen?

Reports of the autopilot being blamed for accidents where it was the drivers fault, ie roadworks etc where signs are not standard. But why does the autopilot not simply stop until the driver takes control?

PS.. Have you seen their "CITY" test drives? Less traffic than 4am in London on roads as wide as 2 lanes.
When they approach traffic lights they appear to stop 2 or 3 cars lengths back and creep up. Imagine that in London at some junctions it will never mover. The gap will be stolemn at every stop.


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99% of car accidents are caused by driver error, anything that can reduce that is welcome in my book.

I believe that autonomous self driving cars (vehicles) will only truly come to being, when non autonomous vehicles are taken of the road, as I don't think you can mix the two.

Tesla Autopilot was a bad choice of name, it should have been Tesla Driver Assist, as that is what it is.

Tesla are soon to demo a cross U.S. autonomous drive, of course for legal reasons the vehicle has to have a driver behind the wheel.

The car will even go and find a charger station itself, along the journey, and charge autonomously.

Whilst regular vehicles remain on the road, this will be an accident waiting to happen!

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Surely there are less crashes in a Tesla as there are fewer of them, or am I missing something obvious.

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Quote: Originally posted by blueexpo97 on 10/8/2017
Surely there are less crashes in a Tesla as there are fewer of them, or am I missing something obvious.



No you are not missing anything at all. It ain't rocket science is it B97.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 10/8/2017
99% of car accidents are caused by driver error, anything that can reduce that is welcome in my book.

I believe that autonomous self driving cars (vehicles) will only truly come to being, when non autonomous vehicles are taken of the road, as I don't think you can mix the two.

Tesla Autopilot was a bad choice of name, it should have been Tesla Driver Assist, as that is what it is.

Tesla are soon to demo a cross U.S. autonomous drive, of course for legal reasons the vehicle has to have a driver behind the wheel.

The car will even go and find a charger station itself, along the journey, and charge autonomously.

Whilst regular vehicles remain on the road, this will be an accident waiting to happen!




As a few have found out computers don't get it right 100% of the time also.

Watch their test drives, why does it stop so far away from other cars approaching red lights, just asking to be rear ended?

One video a car approached from a junction on the left and the Tesla slowed yet it had right of way.

May have been the same video, on what we would call a decent A road single lane each way, plenty of room. 2 pedestrians on the pavement the car stopped???

They speed the video's up because some of those junctions appear to be taken a bit wide and not smooth.

Why across america? Why not London or Paris? Sounds like a Top Gear or Grand Tour challenge. One team races from the south of France to London, the other team do it backwards, you must go through the city centre's at rush hour. And back again unless your dead of course. Cynical me?

I would like to know how many of those miles they reckon the cars have done without accidents, have been on test tracks and empty roads?

Back in the late 70's/Early 80's? There was a bus in Birmingham that drove itself. No computers needed. Although a mostly straight line although a bit uppy and downy 1/4 mile if that?

It went down the middle of the carriageway, in its own section. 2 rubber rollers attached to the steering swung out and steered it. What a success (not). Nan lived close to it.

I thought wouldn't a normal old fashioned tram be a better option. Somebody else must have suggested it because they built one of those as well.

Yes driver assist would have been a better name. But why have they not clamped down on the fact it knows the driver is not doing anything so why not slow down until they take action? Will it sense if a driver is asleep?



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I have just been having a look at the Tesla map, showing the Supercharger locations, and it looks like Tesla have been very busy.

No doubt they are getting the network of Superchargers ready for when the Model 3 arrives here in the UK which at a guess will be sometime early 2019 if not before.

Even today, getting from Manchester to the Cote d Azur in a Tesla is more than doable with a little planning.

When we do that journey, we average around 333 miles each day, with a couple or more rest breaks along the journey each day.

So even in the base Model 3 using a Supercharger which will get you back upto the full 220 mile range in around 30 minutes will be more than adequate for the journey.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 13/8/2017
I have just been having a look at the Tesla map, showing the Supercharger locations, and it looks like Tesla have been very busy.

No doubt they are getting the network of Superchargers ready for when the Model 3 arrives here in the UK which at a guess will be sometime early 2019 if not before.

Even today, getting from Manchester to the Cote d Azur in a Tesla is more than doable with a little planning.

When we do that journey, we average around 333 miles each day, with a couple or more rest breaks along the journey each day.

So even in the base Model 3 using a Supercharger which will get you back upto the full 220 mile range in around 30 minutes will be more than adequate for the journey.



Is this Topic not Tesla towing? There is absolutely no way will you get anywhere near 333 miles towing even a modest caravan with a Tesla 3.

You will be lucky to achieve 150 miles.

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From the onset of my post, I never eluded to the towing of a caravan, I don't tow a caravan, just a small Trailer, the drag factor of which is arguably less than that of a RoofBox.

The Tesla Model 3 also has proper anchor roof points for the mounting of a roofrack, jus like the Model S.

Personally the thought of towing a caravan around does not appeal to me, if I was ever to get a caravan, I would have it permanantley at a campsite in the South of France, that also does storage.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 13/8/2017
From the onset of my post, I never eluded to the towing of a caravan, I don't tow a caravan, just a small Trailer, the drag factor of which is arguably less than that of a RoofBox.

The Tesla Model 3 also has proper anchor roof points for the mounting of a roofrack, jus like the Model S.

Personally the thought of towing a caravan around does not appeal to me, if I was ever to get a caravan, I would have it permanantley at a campsite in the South of France, that also does storage.



Sorry, totally my mistake.

I thought this was the towing section of the forum, with this particular topic "Tesla 3 Towing"...........Silly me.

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But the Model X? blog i mentioned before were only towing a small teardrop and the range was hit quite badly.

On hilly stretches it was down to just 80 miles. And before someone mentions it will recharge on the way down with regen braking. Well yes it will put some power back into the battery but a TINY!! amount of power compared to what it took to climb the hill.

In the UK the charge cost will be 20p per Kw. If using their charging stations. I think thats approx half the cost of a diesel powered car.

The funny quote was they stopped the free charging not to boost profits but to invest...
Err to boost profits don't you actually have to make some profit?



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Quote: Originally posted by blueexpo97 on 10/8/2017
I thought that was the start of a postcode in Redditch.



Good spot blue.

I reckon you could do Redditch from lovely East Ayrshire in a Tesla thingy, but not with your Coachman tied to the back. Take you about a week! 😀😀

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Well the Model 3 has been in production for around a month or so now, but still no information on it's promised towing capabilities.

There has been confirmation on range 220 miles for the std model and 310 miles for the long range version.

The range I don't think will be an issue, especialy for your daily commute, or a drive to the post office to collect your pension.

Long distance, will be ok as Tesla and Chadamo etc fast chargers are popping up all over the place, in fact it has been predicted that there will be more Fast EV charging locations across Europe than petrol stations by the year 2020.

Interesting to see that the Tesla Model 3 uses around half as many Cells as the "S" and "X" just 2,976 (50Kwh) in the std model and 4,416 (74Kwh) in the longer range model.

Of course the Cells are the larger 2170 form used in the Model 3 whilst the "S" and "X" use the 18650 form.


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