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Message posted by Grampian91 on 28/8/2017 at 3:17am
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Confirmation from who though? Any independent motoring mags or shows that are free to publish the truth?

Auto Express had a BRIEF test drive around the factory grounds. Not even on the road?

I dont think my pension will budget 50k on a Tesla. This is what its going to cost in the UK for the long range model.

Initially you wont even get one for that because unless you tick a lot of options pushing the price up you will be way down the waiting list.

A lot of smoke and mirrors. Electrek site posted up that the Tesla claim the number of reservations is increasing yet the amount of deposits is decreasing??? But you need to put down a $1000 deposit when making a reservation.

Tesla's comment was that the Model X orders impacted on that.. Errr but they said the pre-orders were for the Model 3 not the X etc..

They do not want to release the real details of how many real pre-orders there are for the Model 3.

AND.. It seems Tesla will contact those with Model 3 orders and try to upsell them to an X or S.



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Yep, Grampian the original hyped $35k price seems to have gone out of the window, in the short term that is, Tesla commented from the get go, that they wanted to keep manufacture simple, so why have a std and long range model.

After all when you go to buy a VW Golf, you don't have to choose between a large or small petrol tank!

The Tesla Model 3, should have come with just the 74kwh 310 mile battery pack, and as time moves on technology would allow for even more range.

As it stands though 310 miles is a decent range, and best in it's class I would argue.

50k I agree is beyond most folks budgets, although I thought the long range version without all the bells and whistles was more like $44k which I guess would make it 34k less UK EV incentive of 4.5k brings the nett price down to 29.5k.

Of course opting for the std range version would further reduce the price down to 22.5k which is more like it, and most folk could live with a 220 mile range, I am a rep covering the NorthWest, and even I don't cover that kind of mileage in a day.

The U.K. Tesla website clearly advertises the Model 3 from $35k before incentives, so I do believe the Model 3 will be a game changer, come 2019 or before.

On a two year lease, the firm I work for would be saving 8k on not buying Diesel, not sure what the cost of electric would be, I am guessing 2k tops.

But can the Tesla Model 3 tow, is what we have yet to find out.

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They said in the UK its going to be 26k after the incentive had already been applied.

They may mention $34k but they wont sell you one currently. You need to purchase the long range model at an extra $9k and several options which pushes the price up very close to the bigger models.

Why have the motoring press not been able to get their hands on one yet?

I can see something that maybe an issues as these get older. How do you tell whether its a standard or long range model? I can see little boxes or software patches by naughty people showing false data.

Similar to sellers that swap the VW badges on the back so people think they are getting the higher power model or the stickers on the side of the engines top cover on Fords.

Its going to be a 50k when it hits the UK.


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Well according to the Tesla UK website, they do not start production of RHD models until 2019.

A lot may change between now and then, and it would not be the first time that Tesla has dropped a smaller battery pack from the range as they did for the model "S".

So I will not be suprised if by 2019 the Model 3 only comes with the 74Kwh 310 mile battery pack.

Same goes for pricing, they will be up against VW and BMW around 2019 let alone Hyundi, Nissan and Opel.

If Tesla can't bring the entry level Model 3 in at sub 30k they may well have a problem.

As for the the press not getting hold of one, there is a review and video from motortrend doing the rounds.

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Just found the road test, and again its another not really a proper test.

The cars owner is the designer... And they get to stand at a roadsde where he comes to them and lets them have a drive with him in the car.. No mention of range and as he drove there and also needed to drive back it must have been a short test.

The the fact its RWD... The UK doesnt buy many RWD vehicles. They have their work cutout.

Seen the crash tests they compare against the Volvo? The 1/4 strike where just a 1/4 section of the drivers side hits a solid block the Tesla scored acceptable where the Volvo was good. But check the flex on the windscreen etc. The Volvo's screen doesnt wobble like a jelly.

Side impact scored better, but im curious how that will go with a fully charged battery pack installed? I think its going to rupture those batteries.



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But don't you find it amazing that Tesla have got over 400,000 reservations for the Model 3, and most reservations are in the U.S. a country where petrol/diesel is a fraction of the cost that It is here in Europe.

Tesla have achieved this, without spending a single penny on advertising.

From what I have read, the battery pack in the Model 3 is less volatile than the battery packs in the "S" and "X" models, and they have a pretty good safety record.

I still think that the Tesla Model 3 will be a game changer, in the same way as the Apple iPad and iPhone.

I have not owned my own car since 1985, and it will probably be 2026 before I own one again, and I am pretty sure that the next car I own, will be a used 3 year old Tesla Model 3!

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400,000 BUT not just for the model 3 and they wont admit the REAL number of deposits paid. So the 400,000 is just a marketing number that appears not to resemble reality.

Smoke and mirrors again.   I dont find it amazing when the truth is witheld. Why have they not released cars got genuine reviews where the give the reporters a car for a week/month etc?

Could it be that the reviews will be less than favourable?


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I can see something that maybe an issues as these get older. How do you tell whether its a standard or long range model? I can see little boxes or software patches by naughty people showing false data.

Similar to sellers that swap the VW badges on the back so people think they are getting the higher power model or the stickers on the side of the engines top cover on Fords


Grampian as with most cars the the higher output cars dont just have a more powerful engines, they have different wheels trims and body styling, so easy to spot and if in doubt hpi it as with any car

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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 29/8/2017
400,000 BUT not just for the model 3 and they wont admit the REAL number of deposits paid. So the 400,000 is just a marketing number that appears not to resemble reality.

400,000 orders for a car company that has been making cars for less than 10 years, and only 3 models i'd of thought any company would be pleased with that

Could it be that the reviews will be less than favourable?

I doubt it they havent made a crap car yet.

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The the fact its RWD... The UK doesnt buy many RWD vehicles. They have their work cutout

We also dont buy electric cars, i think that may change.

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We're do we begin with the RWD thing, fact is back in the day upto the early 1980's nearly all cars were RWD, but then the car makers moved to FWD as it was cheaper, but more importantly easier and quicker to build cars that way.

RWD cars from back in the day, had a propshaft running the length of the vehicle, the ice was stuck up front.

With the Tesla RWD the motor is located at the rear, I am not saying that RWD is better than FWD, it just makes more sense, having said that most super cars are RWD or both, and all F1 cars are RWD, so I don't see an issue with RWD at all, in fact I quite like the idea.

As for the reservation numbers, I think that may even be a conservative estimate, Tesla are pulling in 1,800 reservations per day as we stand.

No I think Tesla's big problem will be getting the production ramp upto 5000 cars per week, they will be playing catch up for quite some time.

Place an order today for a Model 3, and it could be upto two years before you take delivery.

No wonder Nissan are trying to snapple potential Tesla buyers with there, "Why Wait For Your EV" advertising.

Like Bessie says, there will not be an issue identifying the difference between the std range and long range Model 3, software aside, there are physical identifiers on the battery pack along with other tell tails.



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I fought off buying a FWD drive car for a long time, as I much preferred RWD especially for towing. My old Mk2 Cortina I once had, towed many a FWD car and caravan off a muddy field. I was eventually forced into buying FWD when I bought my Volvo.

Possibly a RWD EV will be better than FWD for towing too.

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Yep back in the day, the Hilman imp and VW Beetle were very popular RWD with rear ice set up.

I guess what goes around, comes around.

Some of the EV's around are quite shocking, the new Ford Focus EV has the battery in the boot, how mad is that not to mention having manual handbrake, what a mess that car is.

The problem with the Ford Focus EV, and VW Golf EV, is that they have not been designed from the ground up to be EV's, they are just modified ice cars, based on existing platforms.

This is where Tesla have got the edge, having only ever made EV's from the get go.

Although GM have a good EV with the Bolt, as does Hyundai with the ionic, I don't think either of those were ever former ice cars.

The new Nissan Leaf, looks to be a good EV contender.

But none of these other car makers can hold a candle to Tesla, it is what it is.

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Initially you wont even get one for that because unless you tick a lot of options pushing the price up you will be way down the waiting list.

Grampian when you order a new car you fill in your spec sheet, and the car is made to order just the same as everyone else, unless they have masses in stock (which they dont) you wait the same as everyone else,

now if they have loads of cars just parked up and the spec is right for you you'll get one sooner.
The thing with stock cars is you usually get a better deal, my mate has just ordered a brand new BMW X5 M50d he ordered it last week and gets it next week on a 73 reg, he's saved 13k off the list price

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Yes you tick the options but those that want just the basic spec and dont want to spend 50k wont be able to buy a car.

You could put a deposit down and just want the basic spec. Then someone much later puts a deposit down and ticks a lot of options then they will get their car long before you. Thats not normal.

Supercars are RDW or 4WD because sticking 800BHP through the front wheels would be a nightmare. You would have to strangle the engine down to stop torque steer. Its not down to being cheaper.

With FWD you have to have CV joints and driveshafts, with RWD you have an axle and propshaft. I doubt there is much difference between the building costs.

FWD was supposed to remove the transmission tunnel to give more interior space, but that grew back over the years to stiffen the shells.

Focus EV... OH dear... Huge lump of a battery in the boot... Stupid..

Difference between the 90bhp Golf and the 105bhp Golf was the red patch in the TDI badge, no other differences.
Not talking about the basic model to the top of the range models. Just where several power options were available.

If i remember correctly the 90bhp had no red, the 105bhp had i in red, 130bhp had Di in red and the 150bhp had TDI in red?

The MK3 Mondeo had 115bhp and 130bhp, initially there was no difference except the sticker on the side of the engine.




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Yep Grampian, the long range Model 3 has a rated horse power of 258 which ain't bad IMHO.

I look at fossil cars today as I go about my work, and think I am looking at history, as they will all be but gone over the next 20 years or so.

It will be a major step change, and I can see many folk are having difficulty comming to terms with the fact that ice vehicles are on there way out.

I guess folk who use to own and operate horse drawn carriages back in the early days of petrol cars, felt the same as folk who drive ice vehicles today.


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