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Message posted by Francais on 01/1/2018 at 9:43am
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Hi Wobbly Box, the claim back amount is government set, I think they change the rates around every 4 months or so, if your mate is under claiming he can get the difference back through tax.

At 9PPM I would guess your mate is going to be out of pocket when claiming business miles, and of course as a company car driver all miles are business, bar the last 20 or so!

Could it be that you mate drives an expensive Hybrid car, that could explain the low PPM and high monthly tax cost.

It all depends on the band the car is in, so it could be worth your mate checking, £175 per month seems excessive unless he is driving a well expensive car.

Also it could be a case that your mates personal tax band could effect the situation,re 20% or 40% I don't think it would, but you never can tell.

I drive a 2017 VW Golf 1.6TDi and the claim back for fuel is 14ppm, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out, that my rate is a nice little earner, especially if doing around 3k miles per month as I have been doing lately.

Although I expect my PPM rate to drop shortly, as Diesel prices have been coming down for quite some months now, 114.9p I noticed at Tesco yesterday.

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The argument about company car vs private ownership is completely separate to the electric vs fossil cars. Both types of car users can own both types of powertrains.

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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 01/1/2018
The argument about company car vs private ownership is completely separate to the electric vs fossil cars. Both types of car users can own both types of powertrains.



Totally agree, the fact that Francais has a company car has nothing whatsoever to do with the towing capabilities of a Tesla S......If they have any capability.

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All good information but I think we are drifting from the main topic, which is will an electric car tow our caravans or trailer tents.
Also if they can tow will we actually get further than the end of the street before it runs out of power due to the extra load.

I suppose the answer to the second part will need to wait till someone actually does it.

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Yep, sorry about that folks, I did go completely off topic, although I hope my info is of use to Wobbly Box's mate.

As for Tesla towing, have a look at Bjorn Nyland on YouTube, he has put a couple of vlogs on the Tesla Model "X" towing a good sized caravan, and also a boat.

And currently uses his Model "X" to tow a large Anssems (braked) box Trailer.

Bjorn does "Nimber" runs on a daily basis, so the towing of a trailer is a real world experience for him.

The Model "X" is of course a completely different beast to the Model "3" although I can't see any reason why the Model "3" can't be a capable tow car, just capable of towing smaller loads than the Model "X".

I am now starting to think, that Tesla may not include towing as an option for the Model "3", despite the comment made by Musk, I think it is now more likley that a towing option will be available on the Model "Y" (SUV) which is to be a smaller version of the Model "X" based on the Model "3" floor plan.

And yes, it all stands for S.E.X.Y.

Of course Ford threatened to sue Tesla for using "E" and that's why the Model "3" is not the Model "E".

So Tesla blame Ford for not having SEX!

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It would be good if the caravan club done a review on an electric car towing something a real test on the open road with real stop start situations and traffic congestion not just driving around an old airfield.

I wonder what the caravan manufacturers thoughts are on electric cars and how it will effect their sales.

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Yep Wobbly Box.
                           Motoring.co.au have done a road test of the Tesla Model "X" towing a caravan.

Plenty of video blogs on YouTube of Tesla's towing caravan's mostly Model "X", and a few Model "S".

So it is doable to tow a caravan with a EV, you just need the right EV to do the job, same as with a fossil car.

And as for towing a small none braked trailer, that will be about the same for an EV as it is for a fossil car, it's just that most EV's are not type approved for towing.

The Toyota Prius is a case in point, not type approved for towing, but many do tow with an after market kit, how that effects insurance would be an issue I would have thought.

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Tesla Model X base model £76,500. Top spec around £122,000.

No brainier!

Model S towing caravans, can you provide a link for that please.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 01/1/2018

And as for towing a small none braked trailer, that will be about the same for an EV as it is for a fossil car, it's just that most EV's are not type approved for towing.

The Toyota Prius is a case in point, not type approved for towing, but many do tow with an after market kit, how that effects insurance would be an issue I would have thought.

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So your saying an EV will tow a 750kg trailer for 600+ miles! Now that is impressive I must admit. But you know and I know that an EV would be lucky to do 150 miles........Even if they are type approved, which there not.





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Well the Model "S" is not type approved, can't do the link thing but if you google Tesla Model "S" towing Tear Drop, you will get the idea.

OK a Tear Drop is not a pukka caravan, but for a car that should not be towing, it's not a bad effort.

As for the Model "X" I would agree it's way beyond the reach of most, but does prove that an EV can tow a caravan for a decent distance.

I am only interested in the Model "3" and the towing of a small unbraked trailer, say 750kg Max.

With a 75kw battery, the Model "3" should be good for well over 200 mikes between charges to tow such a trailer.

Although it does remain to be seen, and as I mentioned before I guess it will be the compact SUV Tesla Model "Y" based on the Model "3" that will be designated for towing duties, and maybe with a 100kw battery even, to give well over 200 mile range.

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This year ford are launching a new electric car that’s focus sized, over a 3 year term it’s purchase and running cost will be the same as purchasing a equivalent diesel car.
So it would seem the gap is closing on the purchase / running cost

Just imagine the residual value for a car that cost virtually nothing to run and buttons to service

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 01/1/2018
This year ford are launching a new electric car that’s focus sized, over a 3 year term it’s purchase and running cost will be the same as purchasing a equivalent diesel car.
So it would seem the gap is closing on the purchase / running cost

Just imagine the residual value for a car that cost virtually nothing to run and buttons to service

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But it ain’t going to tow, and that is the topic title.

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How do you know mike ? It’s not been launched yet it might do for all we know

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Maybe the introduction of EV's and the banning of fossil cars is the governments way of getting caravans of the road, and just allowing the super rich than can afford a Tesla Model "X" to still tow a caravan, but only for short distances!

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Short distance is what it looks like.

Just been reading a couple of reports from people trying the X for towing, one in the USA and one in Europe.

The USA bloke was towing a boat and the Euro one a caravan.

Max range for the USA bloke was only 100 miles then needed a 45 min recharge on a Supercharger.

Max range for the Euro bloke was 125 miles with a 45 min or full 1 hour charge on a supercharger to do the next leg.

One thing he says it that in most charge points he can across he also had to unhitch his caravan to enable to get to the recharge point.

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To be fair 125 miles towing a full size caravan is fine, I would imagine most folk are ready for a break after just over 2 hours of travelling.

Grab a coffee, and take a comfort break whilst the Supercharger does it's work, and then 45mins later your back on your way for another 125 miles having been completely refreshed.

I doubt the Model "3" or Model "Y" will be purposeful for caravan towing, the Motor is of a different type to the "X" and the "S" allowing for a smaller unit, and the floor plan of the Model "3" is not large enough to accomadate the 100kw battery, so 75kw is as big as it gets for the Model "3" untill technology comes up with a more dense battery form.

In fact the Model "3" already uses a different battery form to the Model "X" and "S" they use the 18650 cell, whilst the "3" uses the larger density 2170 cell.

The next move in battery technology will be Solid State, which no doubt Tesla are working on already.

Back in the here and now though, the Model "3" should be fine for towing a small baggage trailer with little effect on range, so at least for us Tent, TT and FC folk there is hope in using an EV.

Who want's to tow a caravan anyway!


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