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Message posted by Mike3003 on 02/1/2018 at 10:43am
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 02/1/2018
To be fair 125 miles towing a full size caravan is fine, I would imagine most folk are ready for a break after just over 2 hours of travelling.

Grab a coffee, and take a comfort break whilst the Supercharger does it's work, and then 45mins later your back on your way for another 125 miles having been completely refreshed.

I doubt the Model "3" or Model "Y" will be purposeful for caravan towing, the Motor is of a different type to the "X" and the "S" allowing for a smaller unit, and the floor plan of the Model "3" is not large enough to accomadate the 100kw battery, so 75kw is as big as it gets for the Model "3" untill technology comes up with a more dense battery form.

In fact the Model "3" already uses a different battery form to the Model "X" and "S" they use the 18650 cell, whilst the "3" uses the larger density 2170 cell.

The next move in battery technology will be Solid State, which no doubt Tesla are working on already.

Back in the here and now though, the Model "3" should be fine for towing a small baggage trailer with little effect on range, so at least for us Tent, TT and FC folk there is hope in using an EV.

Who want's to tow a caravan anyway!



Sorry Francais, but your comments are becoming more fantasy by the day.

As a very, very experienced tower of all kinds and sizes of trailers and caravans, I would want to do more than 125 miles per stint on a journey once on the road, not have that kind of limitation in the hope that I can find somewhere to charge. In fact I will always refuel with that kind of mileage left in the tank to be sure. Not only that, I do not want to have to unhitch every time I refuel.

Secondly your ďwho wants to tow a caravan anywayĒ comment, obviously tongue in cheek I realise that. But over 80000 people in the UK want to tow a caravan, 100s of thousands in Europe. In the UK alone around 130,000 people are employed in the caravan industry contributing around £6 billion into the UK economy.

Not sure if you have traveled much, you probably have, but if you have ever travelled around Australia you will know how much towing a caravan means to them. Their vans are normally around 2.0 tonne, letís us just hope that this EV revolution does not destroy their way of life too.

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 01/1/2018
How do you know mike ? Itís not been launched yet it might do for all we know

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Yes it might Bessie, I doubt it, but it might. But there is one thing for sure, it will be no good to you with your lovely Coachman van ❤️. 😀👍

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Yep Mike, very much tongue in cheek from me.

Of course I would tow a caravan, were it not for the fact that the company car that I currently drive, will more than likley be changed for an EV next year, that will not be up to the job.

Although I have always coveted a Fixed Bed 1200kg caravan to tow around, but I guess beggars can't be choosers!

Did think about getting a caravan this year, and towing it down to the South of France and leaving it there.

The campsite we often use, can and does arrange storage, so that is still an option on the cards, if not this year maybe 2019.




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I suppose 125 miles would be ok for the Friday to Sunday break where I tend to look for sites within approximately a 60 mile radius. However I would find the 125 range far too restrictive for longer holidays where we tend to go further afield.

Other problem with stopping for a recharge is if there is a car or 2 in front of you thatís you stuck for 90 minutes. Not ideal

I have know idea how you charge a car so this might sound silly, but could you plug it into your electric hookup while on site so that itís fully charged for your next days sightseeing run.

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Quote: Originally posted by Wobbly Box on 02/1/2018
I have know idea how you charge a car so this might sound silly, but could you plug it into your electric hookup while on site so that itís fully charged for your next days sightseeing run.


Yeah that's what I do. You'll get about 120 miles of charge in 10 hours.

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Who stops for 45 minutes every 2 hours with a long journey ahead of them?

Stopping for 45 minutes every 4.5 hours as a lorry driver was a pain.

You will be faced with similar issues, pass this stopping/charging stop and risk the next one being full/working or stop now and possibly need an additional stop.

Says 70 miles left so we can stop here or risk the next one in 60 miles?

Goto the services now and see how many non electric vehicles are parked in the charging bays.

As mentioned the positioning is pretty poor at the ones ive seen. Mostly very close to the main entrance so towing anything will mean you need to unhook it.

Another money earner or rules for campsites? No charging electric cars unless you pay extra?


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Max tow weight = Cars gross laden weight + Caravans gross laden weight.

These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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I doubt whether those of us who are currently retired will have to worry about it much, as many of the petrol and diesel cars being made today will still be around in 10, 15, or even 20 years time. My current tow car is 18 years old next month, and I intend to keep it running until it becomes uneconomic to repair. That's what I generally do, apart from the last one I had which got stolen despite being 13 years old. I can remember when most cars fell to bits before they were 10 years old, and broke down once a month quite regularly, but that was back in the 70s.

If the government bans the production of petrol and diesel cars within the next few years, which they may well do, the cars made just before the ban will still be around for years after.

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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 02/1/2018
Quote: Originally posted by Wobbly Box on 02/1/2018
I have know idea how you charge a car so this might sound silly, but could you plug it into your electric hookup while on site so that itís fully charged for your next days sightseeing run.


Yeah that's what I do. You'll get about 120 miles of charge in 10 hours.



Far to restrictive for us, 120 miles, not even a good day excursion. Just that for a 10 hour charge, they have a long way to go.

I am, of course, giving a very personal view, but EVs have a massive amount of development before I would be remotely interested. Far to restrictive now and for the foreseeable future.

Have been lucky enough to drive 10s of thousands of miles in and around Australia, god knows how they would ever cope with the EV revolution. Some locations and main roads have no mains power for 100s of miles. Please donít mention the big battery, it would not last 10 minutes.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 02/1/2018
Far to restrictive for us, 120 miles, not even a good day excursion. Just that for a 10 hour charge, they have a long way to go.

I am, of course, giving a very personal view, but EVs have a massive amount of development before I would be remotely interested. Far to restrictive now and for the foreseeable future.

Have been lucky enough to drive 10s of thousands of miles in and around Australia, god knows how they would ever cope with the EV revolution. Some locations and main roads have no mains power for 100s of miles. Please donít mention the big battery, it would not last 10 minutes.


Hi Mike

Don't forget you might charge more than 10 hours. Also your car might not be at 0% battery when you start charging. So unless you average 120 miles per day every day of your holiday, you wont have an issue. Trust me, it's not restrictive in practice.

As for Australia... well I wouldn't buy an electric car to travel 1,000's of miles where there is no electricity. Nor would I buy an articulated lorry to drop the kids off at school. Sure some might try but anyone remotely sensible would see that that's not the right choice of vehicle for the job. And pointing it out doesn't detract from the usefulness of articulated lorries one bit...

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Actually the thought of caravanning around Australia with an EV sounds fantastic, thinking about it! Abundant sunshine means you only need a few solar panels in the van and you would basically need no fuel at all :-)

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At the moment I can see EVís being ok for jumping about town or doing the school run, as long as you have the convenience of being able to charge them up at home.
In the meantime I will watch how the electric car develops over the next 10 years and hopefully by then they will have reached a range of 700 miles with a 5 minute charge time, and priced similar to say a focus or Astra type car.





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I don't see anyone having a problem with tow-cars for the foreseeable future, unless they are in the habit of always buying new cars and changing them every one or two years. Most people buy their cars second-hand, and quite a few like me only buy them once they are at least 10 years old. By the time the last petrol/diesel cars go off the road I will have an EV, but it will probably be a mobility scooter. If I'm still around!

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The problem with this post is to many people are just guessing at whatís happening, I keep reading that all ev have no range, are poorly built, will die as soon as you put the heater/lights on, the batteries will fail, we donít have the facilityís to charge the cars up, theyíll never be able to tow a caravan, there too expensive and they will never happen in my lifetime.

But the true facts are yes they are going to happen as not just this government but virtually the whole of Europe has called for these cars to be in place,


Virtually every car/truck manufacturer is throwing serious money at developing these cars, Volvo have already stated that they will only make hybrid/EV vehicles far sooner than the government deadline do you honestly think they will jeopardise their sales to caravaners.

Yes the majority of electric cars that are currently available canít tow a caravan but there are some that can they are just expensive, but as with everything technology moves fast and becomes cheaper.
In the last 3 months Electric trucks have already been announced with a 500 mile range fully freighted, a range thatís more than enough for our UK roads, so pulling a caravan should be a drop in the ocean.

Fast charging stations are appearing all over the country, virtually every shopping centre and supermarket chains are getting involved. I was on a council carpark the other day and that even had 2.

If Tesla can build a sports car that can challenge the fastest car on the planet and give a drive range of 620 miles, then larger capacity batteries are already in the pipeline and itís just a matter of time before these filter through.

And do we have the facility to charge cars without building more power stations? in 2003 when I moved to my current house all my household light bulbs were conventional my electric bills were astranomical, I actually had 21 bulbs in my kitchen I now have 17 LED lights that are brighter and are 10 times more economical than the old bulbs, I had 7 TVís that were all conventional sets these have all been replaced with Led again using a fraction of the old sets power, all my household bulbs are now LED and the savings are huge, my house now uses far less electricity than 15 years ago, Iím certain most households are running more efficient than 10 years ago. Christ even our hoover is a cordless battery charged item.


Iíve already mentioned that ford are bringing a car out thatís purchase and running cost over 3 years are the same as a equivalent diesel car, this step alone will be a huge leap making these cars more affordable


Its true diesel and petrol cars will be around for a long time yet as we have millions on our roads, but electric cars will be here far sooner than you think & no matter which way you look at it they will be better than our current cars. They just need tweaking a bit more

I remember saying not too long ago no way would I have a diesel car, they sound like tractors and are far to agricultural and slow, petrol all the way for me as I loved hot hatches, funny how times change.

Time are changing the company I work for is investing millions in a fleet of electric commercial vans for leasing in France, an area of business we have never ventured in before, but is seen as a growth industry

Lets not forget the people developing these cars are very clever hugely successful business men, James Dyson has now joined in and is working on a electric car.

Elon Musk even has his own space program

Bessie

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Oh no Bessie, you will get Mike started again, I am sure he owns an oil well or two!

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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 02/1/2018
Actually the thought of caravanning around Australia with an EV sounds fantastic, thinking about it! Abundant sunshine means you only need a few solar panels in the van and you would basically need no fuel at all :-)



That must be tongue in cheek.......Surely.

You donít honestly believe solar panels would produce enough energy to power an EV to tow a 2:0 tonne caravan.......Do you......Really. 😳

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 02/1/2018
Oh no Bessie, you will get Mike started again, I am sure he owns an oil well or two!



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