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Message posted by Mike3003 on 02/1/2018 at 5:16pm
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Oh no Bessie, you will get Mike started again, I am sure he owns an oil well or two!



.....Two!



I just wish I had more with the huge extra demand for fossil fuel to run the powers stations needed to power EVs. Bring on the Fracking!

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 02/1/2018
The problem with this post is to many people are just guessing at what’s happening,

And do we have the facility to charge cars without building more power stations? in 2003 when I moved to my current house all my household light bulbs were conventional my electric bills were astranomical, I actually had 21 bulbs in my kitchen I now have 17 LED lights that are brighter and are 10 times more economical than the old bulbs, I had 7 TV’s that were all conventional sets these have all been replaced with Led again using a fraction of the old sets power, all my household bulbs are now LED and the savings are huge, my house now uses far less electricity than 15 years ago, I’m certain most households are running more efficient than 10 years ago. Christ even our hoover is a cordless battery charged item.


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Your first statement I totally agree with Bessie. That is the truth, nobody knows, we are all guessing.

Regarding the electricity supply though there is a lot we do know. Like your home, many of us have switched to more efficient systems, including me, but we are still struggling for capacity. If people hadn't adopted better efficiency I suspect that we would be suffering regular power-outages by now. The demand for electricity is growing enormously, as more gadgetry comes onto the market, and as EVs start to gain in popularity we will need many more power stations. Maybe they will get built, who knows, but it isn't going to happen overnight. We import electricity from Europe, and this is likely to increase greatly, so I suspect prices will go up.

Yes, we will have more EVs, and yes, the days of petrol/diesel cars are numbered, but we don't know if one will replace the other. Personally I doubt it, but the truth is nobody knows. All we can do is speculate. I can remember being told that the oil would run out by the turn of the century, but here we are 18 years after that, and it still doesn't look like it will run out anytime soon.

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Don't know what will happen with electric vehicles in the next ten years or so but as with most new products I'm guessing that progress won't be as fast as predicted. Going back to the days of Tomorrow's World think how many of the predictions came true.

Looking at electricity supply, something that I do know a bit about, what everybody here seems to be forgetting is that the government is also committed to phasing out gas central heating as the primary method of home heating. That'll put a massive load on power supplies overnight which many seem to think will be available for charging your vehicle.

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Yes electric heat pumps are government preferred. They seem to be wanting to get as much as possible on electric. That will be OK as long as we have plenty of renewable electric and nuclear.

Then the problem will be matching supply with demand. That's where smart meters should come in allowing the DNOs to switch your washing machine etc on and off to regulate demand. Already we have solar farms who must switch off if demand falls too much locally.

Now they have private standby generator owners to have them on standby to feed into the grid at short notice in case demand exceeds supply.

I honestly believe that battery cars are only a stop gap and that in future the power will be in the road especially primary routes. On board batteries will simply be for short journeys on minor roads.

Power can be induced or the linear motor principle can be used.

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The main issue with electrickery has been storage, but they seem to be getting around that now with solutions provided by Tesla.

It was announced only last week, that renewables provided more electric than fossil fuels during the last year here in the uk.

Now that must be a first, oil, gas and coal are on there way out for generating electricity, nuclear is the way forward with renewables filling the short fall.

It's a brave new world ahead, and I am in for the count.

At the end of the day, fossil fuels will run out, and that's a given, so we need to be working on alternatives now for the future generations to come.

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Isn't this all such fun.

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Nuclear the way forward.........Is that not stating the obvious, it has been for decades now. It is a shame it does have such dangers and lethal pollutants, but it is needed to power the EV future.

Hardly good for the environment, but that is progress I suppose.

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Isn't this all such fun.



Loving it! :o)

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Isn't this all such fun.



Sure is


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Just watched the latest YouTube video from "Model 3 Owners Club" a chap has just driven his new Tesla Model 3 from California to Ontario and due to the adverse weather conditions, of -30DegC commented that car's range was down from 310 miles to less than 150 miles on a full charge.

To be fair, you would never encounter -30DegC here in the UK, but it was an interesting observation none the less.

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Wow that’s a big drop in performance. Although we might never get -30 deg, we do get regular low temperatures especially the further north you are. If you live in Scotland the 300 mile range during the winter months will never be achieved, you may not even get it during our summer either lol. That’s probably a test that Tesla wouldn’t like to brag about.


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Well in fairness to Tesla the battery system does have a battery BMS that will keep the batteries warm enough to give the quoted range, so long as temps don't drop to low, I would guess below -5DegC and range may start to be compromised.

On the flip side, the batteries also have liquid cooling, to keep things under control, when the ambient temp is getting high.

An interesting fact is that when the batteries are too cold, it will not allow for fast charging, in such circumstances the car will only draw power from the Tesla SuperCharger, to pre-heat the batteries, once the batteries are upto temp, the fast charging from the Tesla SuperCharger will kick in.

All clever stuff, and I am confident that the 310 mile range will always be available from the a Tesla Model "3" for cars used in the UK.

In fact even the cheaper 220 mile version of the Tesla Model "3" would be fine for the UK.

Although I don't really understand why Tesla are bothering with the smaller battery pack model, the high volume production run of the Model "3" would be more simplified if there was only the one size battery pack, negating any saving's made by using less of the 2170 cells, which must cost peanuts to manufacture.

Of course having two battery options, is just marketing smoke and mirrors.

Especialy if the battery size is to be software controlled as on some previous Tesla models, which imho was an act of stupidity.

Having to pay an extra $20,000 to unlock your 60kw battery, so it could become a 85kw battery, or whatever the deal was, just seamed crazy to me.

Although I don't think Tesla do this anymore with the batteries, maybe they have learned that it was not the smartest of ideas.

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I can't help but wonder just how much power is taken from the batteries in providing heat for the car's occupants. Electricity is much more efficient at proving motion than it is at providing heat, so even in a British winter a considerable amount of battery power must be taken by the car's heating system. In countries where the temperature gets down to -30 degrees, I would think more power is used to heat the occupants than is used to drive the car's motors.

In an I.C engined car the heat used to warm up the interior is just waste heat that would otherwise be vented outside.

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I can't help but wonder just how much power is taken from the batteries in providing heat for the car's occupants. Electricity is much more efficient at proving motion than it is at providing heat, so even in a British winter a considerable amount of battery power must be taken by the car's heating system. In countries where the temperature gets down to -30 degrees, I would think more power is used to heat the occupants than is used to drive the car's motors.

In an I.C engined car the heat used to warm up the interior is just waste heat that would otherwise be vented outside.



When the heat of blasting out it's using about 1.5kw per the display on the leaf. This is lower than you might expect because of the heat pump in the leaf meaning you get more than 1.5kw of heat in the car, for every 1.5kw of the battery power being used.

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Not sure we're I got Ontario from, but that YouTube drive was to Toronto!

Seems the owner of the Model "3" is a guy named You You Xue and he will be bringing the car over to the UK, presumably well before the model's debut here in 2019.

Strangely the car has a UK number plate, so I guess You You Xue, may in fact be a British citizen.

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