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Message posted by Mike3003 on 07/4/2018 at 10:50am
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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 07/4/2018
Disposal of batteries is a major hazard? Care to elaborate? Is there a river somewhere full of pollution from batteries being disposed of? Maybe a battery disposal facility somewhere belching out putrid battery smoke as they burn them? Or a big battery landfill somewhere where the ground is contaminated because of all the valuable metals that have simply been thrown in the ground.

To say electric cars are not environmentally friendly compared to fossil burners shows ignorance. It devalues your other arguments, some of which I agree with!



There is putrid Sulphur Dioxide being belched out, and yes, rivers are running red, in addition to the creation of cancerous dust. All this for the production of LI batteries.

Mining for Lithium has hugely increased, and will grow much bigger with the huge increase in the demand for Lithium. Of course this will then need moving by the tens of thousands of tons a year, sometimes thousands of miles to be processed and moved again to build the batteries.

Now, let us have a think how it is going to be moved.......Mmmmmm, oh yes, by huge dumpers, then huge lorries, perhaps huge trains, even huge planes, then of course much hugerer ships, all powered by fossil fuel, mainly good old diesel.

So you see, we will have to extract good old fossil fuels for generations to come, otherwise you ainít gonna have your EV.

We have not got on to how we are going to generate enough power to keep these things going. Please, please do not mention wind, you would have to cover every available bit of land in the UK with those horrendous, disgusting looking turbines, to even get near the peak demand.

So perhaps before you call other posters ignorant, you should deal with your own ignorance first.

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It could just all be a conspiracy theory to get caravans of the road, as the only EV capable of towing a caravan, will be beyond the financial reach of most folk.

Cars like the Tesla Model 3 will probably only be able to tow a trailer of around 1000kg at best, ideal for tent campers like me.

So maybe it not just the fossil cars, that will be disappearing from our roads!

I would be worried if I owned a fossil car and a caravan, as the scrap yard is beckoning.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 07/4/2018
It could just all be a conspiracy theory to get caravans of the road, as the only EV capable of towing a caravan, will be beyond the financial reach of most folk.

Cars like the Tesla Model 3 will probably only be able to tow a trailer of around 1000kg at best, ideal for tent campers like me.

So maybe it not just the fossil cars, that will be disappearing from our roads!

I would be worried if I owned a fossil car and a caravan, as the scrap yard is beckoning.



How far do you think you will get on a full charge towing say, 800kg. Genuine question.

With regards to being worried, not in the slightest. ICE driven vehicles are going to be around for a long time yet.

On a slightly different note. A HUGE thank you to me and all the other big diesel powered 4x4s out there who kept huge parts of the NHS running, and ferried food and supplies to those that needed them during the bad weather. Especially those that had no power for days like my daughter. Just imagine, as Francais has said, no ICE cars in the foreseeable future........Oh Bugga. 😳😳

Good job most of these places had back up generators power by.........Diesel ICE engines. 😀👍



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Funny how countries like Norway and Canada manage in such extreme weather conditions with temps down to -26Deg C and snow drifts 10ft high etc.

The problem in the U.K. is that the gov wonít spend the money, to manage the country through a tough winter.

Of course they will have to do, when all the fossil cars are gone, and only the elite can afford run around in a 4x4 EV.

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A lot of the assumptions made so far are based on things staying the same as they are now but replacing fossil fuelled cars with EVs. I am inclined to think that we will need to change our way of life completely, as after all, things haven't always been the way they are now. For instance, there was a time when the word "commuter" didn't exist. Most people walked to work or worked at home, and all kids walked to school. Working from home (in a different way) is making a come-back, and travel by public transport is increasing enormously, particularly train travel.

However, because of all the various uses it is put to, not just cars, I am inclined to think the diesel engine will be with us for decades yet, as there simply isn't a viable substitute for it. I can't quite imagine a battery powered container ship.

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On a slightly different note. A HUGE thank you to me and all the other big diesel powered 4x4s out there who kept huge parts of the NHS running, and ferried food and supplies to those that needed them during the bad weather. Especially those that had no power for days like my daughter. Just imagine, as Francais has said, no ICE cars in the foreseeable future........Oh Bugga. 😳😳

Mike in July this year the jag I pace is hitting the streets, a all electric 4x4 suv, by the time you next get snow this type of vehicle could well prove pivotal in helping the stranded, obviously that will be the 1st of many, as already said they are making electric trucks, and the company I work for placed a multi million euro order for electric vans a while ago, for our business in Paris.

Whoís to say you canít plug into your car in future in emergency situations ?

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The I Pace looks, and probably is a stunning car, better than any Tesla, my opinion of course.

But, come on Bessie, do you honestly believe at 60k, the I pace will prove pivotal the next time we have snow.....With power cuts.........Really!

I do like it though, if it was 35k and can tow at least 2 tonne for 200 miles, it would be on my list for sure. 👍. I am fortunate in the fact that I could charge 5 cars at home, but a huge % of car owners canít charge one.

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Mike when was the last time you saw snow ??

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 07/4/2018
Mike when was the last time you saw snow ??



Last week, but serious snow three weeks ago, only 4x4s could get anywhere and were used to ferry staff to our major hospitals here in Devon

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People often forget that a very large proportion of car owners don't buy new cars. Mike 3003, even £35k would be just as out of reach for me as £60k. £3.5k would be a struggle!

Will EVs ever be within reach of people like me? And that is a genuine question. I tend to think that the batteries would be spent long before they got down to the kind of budget people like me have. I currently run an 18 year old Volvo, and the fuel tank (the nearest equivalent to a EVs battery) holds just as much fuel today as when the car rolled off the production line. An 18 year old EV sounds like quite a reasonable prospect, but how many battery packs will it get through in that time? I suspect that EVs will be rather like today's battery powered tools, the tool itself would probably outlive the battery 100 times over, but replacement batteries often cost more than a new tool.

I won't worry about it though, as I suspect fossil-fuelled cars will still be around long after I'm gone, or at least long after I've stopped driving.

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 07/4/2018
Mike when was the last time you saw snow ??



Last week, but serious snow three weeks ago, only 4x4s could get anywhere and were used to ferry staff to our major hospitals here in Devon




I meant snow that needed a 4x4 to get around......probably never. So the next time it happens these expensive electric cars will me mainstream cars and no different from your standard cars of today.

Ford have a car thatís coming out that over a : year period will work out the same cost as itís diesel equivalent, all decent technology in cars starts with luxury brands and filters down over the years to became the norm.

20 years ago central locking and electric windows were only in high end cars, now they are the norm


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Yep Colin21, the warranty on the Tesla battery is for it still to have 80% capacity at up to 8 years.

What the degradation is after 8 years is anyone's guess, although I guess Tesla have edged there bets, and that the battery will still be good for 90% at 10 years.

This could make a new today £30k Tesla Model 3 a very good used buy when it gets past that 8 year mark.

Also to swop the battery pack out on a Tesla is a relatively straight forward job, in fact Tesla proved that it can be done in less time than it takes to fill the petrol tank on a fossil car!.

Of course in 10 years time, battery technology will have moved on, they will be better and cheaper, so funding a replacement Tesla battery could well be cost effective.

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Read all the posts. And I e come to this conclusion. EV will develop they will get better but at the moment they do t meet the needs of the majority of people who use this site.

Now if you had 60k spare cash would you really spend it on an electric car, that has limited range, limited charge points and have to wait hours to charge your car if there are a few folk in front of you at a charge point. Oh and canít do what folk on here need it to do. TOW A CARAVAN.
So until the price drops to below 20k, has a range of 600 miles (300 towing 1500kg) and can be fully charged as conveniently as filling your tank with fuel, is there really any point point discussing the pros of an electric car on a caravan and camping forum.




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Yep Wobbly Box, because we all don't tow caravans on here, tent campers like me tow a small trailer, which the Tesla Model 3 will be ideally suited for, once they announce the towing spec.

BTW, it takes just under an hour to charge a Tesla to almost 100% using one of the Superchargers, just enough time for a comfort break and a coffee when you are on a road trip.

I would say the base Tesla Model 3, will be around £30k when it arrives in 2019, that's not to shabby for an EV that will get you 220 miles between charges, and is costing next to nowt to run.

Although I would argue that there should have only been the one battery option for the Model 3, that being the largest that technology can provide, which is currently 310 miles, although I can see that this will be the case when manufacturing costs of the 2170 cells comes down.

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Even a trailer tent could be a problem, seen as it doesnít actually have a towing rating and your living in hope that they will turn round and say oh by the way our car can tow x, y and z. Until then it canít tow a single thing.

I can fill my tank up in five minutes and donít need to search all over the place to find somewhere to do it. I certainly couldnít stop every 200 miles for an hour. ( maybe even every 100 miles if towing a caravan). The money you save in fuel youíll be spending on over inflated service station priced coffee.

This over enthusiasm for Tesla is exactly the same as you hear from people who canít see by Apple. Which is another product that is restrictive over priced.

Iíd love to be in the fortunate position to be able to even afford to pay 30k for a car. It will be interesting to see what the 2nd hand value will be of these cars.


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You and me both, Wobbly Box. I'm looking for another tow car at present, maximum budget £2.5k

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