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Message posted by Mike3003 on 16/8/2018 at 8:37am
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 16/8/2018
No need Mike, the Tesla does all that for you, the build out of the Tesla SuperCharger network is leaving other makers standing, pun intended.

With BEV's it's all about the infrastructure, as was back in the day for fossill cars.



Back in the day! You seem to really believe everyone will be driving a Tesla in the very near future. 😳

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Think Tesla have to install a lot more than the current one only they have up in the North East before people start thinking of them as an alternative.... and if any owner is doing a long journey up through here at the moment I hope they have planned it right.

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How long have rechargeable tools been around? It's still cheaper to throw them away and buy new than replace the batteries, why would cars be any different? I would say an EV with worn out batteries is as much use as a fossil fuel car with a knackered engine.As for Chinese copies, well we all know about the quality issues there!

Yup sort of agree with you. As a tradesman I never had to throw away a drill e arse it was knackered, it was always the batteries that had packed in, no longer taking a charge. It was always cheaper to buy a new drill that had an improved spec and better battery than the one it was replacing

Yeah youíre both right, and the new drill you get will have a better battery, chances are the battery will be made in china, along with vast majority of batteries. The Chinese seem to be excelling in the EV battery market. And the cost of batteries is reducing all the time
The whole reason cars get scrapped when the engine is goosed is due to the cost to replace with new or second hand, Labour being a large percentage of the overall cost, If a battery pack only takes a couple of hours max to change ? Then no need to throw away the car, In 20 yearsí time a replacement battery could be a viable option
Who knows only time will tell.

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I think you have hit the nail on the head with your last sentence Bessie. All we can do at the present moment is speculate. I am a great believer in "seeing is believing". I have heard all sorts of claims made for all sorts of things in the past, and many of them have turned out to be pie in the sky. Also things often have a habit of taking a sudden turn and heading off in a completely different direction to the one most commonly expected. Wait and see, I think.

When I was a child it was often said that by the turn of the century we would all have helicopters, and in the early 1970s it was expected that by 2000 there would be human colonies on the moon.

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Yep, but Tesla are churning out 5000+ Model 3 cars each and every week, and every single one is sold before it even comes of the production line, and that's even before the std 220 mile model goes into production.

It's not about everyone driving a Tesla Model 3 but untill other manufacturers catch up, it is the main contender at this point in time.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 16/8/2018
Yep, but Tesla are churning out 5000+ Model 3 cars each and every week, and every single one is sold before it even comes of the production line, and that's even before the std 220 mile model goes into production.

It's not about everyone driving a Tesla Model 3 but untill other manufacturers catch up, it is the main contender at this point in time.



5000 is less than a third of Ford Fiesta alone. Ford make more cars in four hours. You keep quoting these figures..........But they are hardly impressive are they.

It is the main contender of what?

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Yep Mike, but how many BEV's do Ford produce each day, me thinks they also have some catching up to do, and for such an established auto manufacturer it's an embarrassment that they are so far behind the game.

In fact Tesla has caught them all with there trousers down, with the exeption of Nissan and GM maybe.

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Mike the Ford Fiesta is the biggest selling car in the uk. Itís 1500 more cars than Subaru (all models) sold in the uk last year

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If other manufacturers are so far "behind", it makes me wonder why? Could it be that they think that EVs are a blind alley? Or is it that they have decided to let someone else take the risks, and then cash in with mass production when they sense a real market?

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I still cannot understand why you think 5000 a week is in any way lmmpresive. It just isnít.

You seem to make a lot of for forecasts, well here is mine. Tesla will not be in the top 8 EV manufacturers in 10 years time, if they are here at all.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 16/8/2018

In fact Tesla has caught them all with there trousers down, with the exeption of Nissan and GM maybe.



You seem to honestly believe that the likes of Ford, VAG, Fiat group, Mazda, Mercedes Benz and BMW etc see Tesla posing a real threat............Really, honestly? I bet they are having sleepless nights.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 16/8/2018

In fact Tesla has caught them all with there trousers down, with the exeption of Nissan and GM maybe.



You seem to honestly believe that the likes of Ford, VAG, Fiat group, Mazda, Mercedes Benz and BMW etc see Tesla posing a real threat............Really, honestly? I bet they are having sleepless nights.



The fact that Tesla is worth more than most (all?) of those companies shows he is not alone. Company value is after all based on expected future earnings, and at the moment Tesla are expected to be the dominant future force for auto production in the west.

I say in the west because China already churn out BEVs in their tens of thousands for the domestic market. The people saying they will be copying our BEVs are laughable, they are already ahead in many respects.

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In fact Tesla has caught them all with there trousers down, with the exeption of Nissan and GM maybe.



You seem to honestly believe that the likes of Ford, VAG, Fiat group, Mazda, Mercedes Benz and BMW etc see Tesla posing a real threat............Really, honestly? I bet they are having sleepless nights.



The fact that Tesla is worth more than most (all?) of those companies shows he is not alone. Company value is after all based on expected future earnings, and at the moment Tesla are expected to be the dominant future force for auto production in the west.

I say in the west because China already churn out BEVs in their tens of thousands for the domestic market. The people saying they will be copying our BEVs are laughable, they are already ahead in many respects.



Do you read the financial press!

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You seem to honestly believe that the likes of Ford, VAG, Fiat group, Mazda, Mercedes Benz and BMW etc see Tesla posing a real threat............Really, honestly? I bet they are having sleepless nights.


I doubt they are having sleepless nights, but when you Consider Tesla have only been producing cars for 10 years & the above manufactures have a combined car making history of over 500 years, plus have some serious sports cars in their line-up, yet only Porsche has the capability to keep up with the Tesla 4 door family saloon or People carrier, These cars are not even sports cars they have 5/7 seats   

With that capability and technology I only hope that they do succeed and that the cars become affordable to the masses

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I'd like to see them succeed too, but I wonder if the major manufacturers will let them. I am inclined to think that the major manufacturers will let Tesla do all the initial development, and take all the risks, then they will flood the market with very much cheaper models, if the market is there.

I think that the main thing that will slow development of EVs down is the infrastructure. We are going to need a hell of a lot more power stations if EVs go mainstream. This is possibly why the major manufacturers haven't really entered the market yet. It is usually many years between proposing just one power station and it coming on-stream.

As for EVs becoming affordable, that isn't going to happen in my lifetime. I couldn't even afford the batteries.

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Yep, Elon not pleasing the investors at the moment, with his claims of working 120 hours per week, and on drugs for sleep.

As much as I praise Tesla for bringing the Model 3 to market, I have one major critism in that it there should have been no option on battery size.

The battery should have been the 310 mile pack (75kw) and only that, and of course that could increase in the future as technology allows.

The physical size of the battery pack in the Model 3 is the exact same size whether you opt for the 220 mile (55kw) or the 310 mile (75kw) model.

The battery pack forms part of the floor plan, so they just fill it with more 2170 cells for the longer range version.

The difference in build cost between the two packs will be negligible, so why bother.

Sales and marketing that's why.

Tesla ought to take a Leaf out of Nissan's book (pun intended) the latest Leaf get's a higher capacity battery than the previous model, so 23kw now upto 40kw (168 miles).

As time moves on battery technology improves along with capacity, whilst keeping the physical size the same if not smaller.

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