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Message posted by Francais on 15/9/2018 at 11:28am
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Yep DaveS, there was plenty of problems with the early Model "S" and Model "X", and Tesla as a new auto maker learned a lot of lessons from that, especially with the Falcon Wing Rear doors on the "X".

The Model 3 is totally a different kettle of fish to either the "S" or the "X".

And with a starting price of around half that of any previous Tesla cars.

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I actually saw a Tesla yesterday, first one I have ever seen. A model S. There don't seem to be any in this part of the country.

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Yep Colin, I see at least a couple of Tesla's a day as I travel around the Northwest, nearly all are Model "S" although I am starting see more of the Model "X" maybe just 2 each week.

UK is a perfect market for Tesla, the small land mass of the U.K. is ideal for a BEV with a range of 310 or 220 mile.

Tesla are busy getting the Supercharger infrastructure in place here in the UK, and we already have plenty in the Northwest with more to come.

They are just gearing up for the arrival of the Tesla Model 3 sometime next year.

In fact in a second preamble to the Model 3 arriving in Europe, it will be on display at the Paris motor show next month.

In fact You You Xue, did an unofficial UK/Europe tour in his Model 3 this year, giving test drives and show casing it, although Tesla were not best pleased with him doing this, plenty on YouTube about that road trip.

Tesla are definitely getting ready to rumble! with the 3.

Edit = just read that You You Xue, crashed his Model 3 in May, some where in Europe, thankfully he was OK, but the crash put an end to his road trip.

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You You, seems like a nice bloke.

He recons that “everyone” can own a Tesla 3, so with the starting price now estimated to be just £40K in the UK.........Get in the queue everyone! Come on guys, it is going to appeal to the camper, whether towing a trailer or even a caravan.

At that price who can resist to buy an unproven car from a producer that is, apparently, bottom of the reliability league.

Is that what is known as a “no brainier”

Way to go! 👍😀

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My concern if I bought a used one would be the cost of a replacement battery pack. I am sure technology will continue to improve in this area.
Saw several Teslas on the charge points at motorway services.
Enforced stay for charging! Which could be long if all points in use!
I would probably go the hybrid route rather than BEV.More versatile.
Toyota do a good range, new models from Hyundai and Kia look good.

Now retired, a BEV such as Renault or Nissan would suit us,with the Santa Fe for longe trips and towing,but the high cost puts me off.We have solar panels on the house so could offset cost on daytime charges!

I have a perfectly good 11 year old Saab, not worth much now but for low useage makes financial sense. Service,Mot tax and insurance still way less than buying a new car.

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Yep DaveS, the Renault Zowie is Europes best selling BEV, range is not brilliant, but perfect as a city car or for short comutes.

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Aparantly improved on newest model.I wonder what real range is in winter with heating etc?
Cost still too high,for less money could buy a small petrol or diesel with low road tax and good fuel economy.

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Yep Bjorn Nyland has done a winter -10! range test on the new Renault Zowe and for a city car it does quite well, I think he got 120 miles, which is not to shabby.

The battery pack has about doubled in capacity from the previous model.

I guess it's not just about the cost of the car, as you need to factor in the 2 pence per mile running cost, compared to 10 pence per mile or more for a fossil car.

If your doing decent miles, you could be quids in with the Zowe, compared to say a fossil Fiesta or Corsa etc.



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40k for a Tesla , way out of most working folks price range


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I think when the Model 3 hits the UK it will be way below £40k especially for the 220 mile range model, with gov incentive you are probably looking at £25k, add to that the low running cost of a BEV, it will make a lot of sense for a lot of folk.

Tesla know that they have to compete against the Kia Nio and Hyundai Kona, two BEV's that offer 200 mile range, for £25k, competition in this sector of the market will be fierce, that's for sure.

At this point in time, my money is on the Kia Nio, lower tech than the Tesla, although the aluminium body of the Tesla is a big plus.

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I would imagine that the vast majority of people buy second-hand cars, so for a great many people the cost of a new car is somewhat irrelevant. I have just bought a new (to me) car, and it's actually 11 years old. I traded in my 18 year old Volvo, as I didn't want the hassle of selling it, and I would imagine the Volvo will be bought by someone who will run it for a few more years. It was in good running order and had 10 months MOT.

What I want to know is what will an 11 year old BEV, or an 18 year old BEV be worth? And how many miles will each of them do on a charge if their batteries still work at all? My old Volvo did virtually as many miles on a tank of diesel as it did when it was new, and I see the batteries on a BEV as the equivalent of a fossil-car's fuel tank. They are both where the vehicle's energy is stored ready to be used.

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The company car situation at work has changed and not in a good way, and we have now gone from 17 plate diesel VW Golfs, to 16 plate diesel Mazda 3's, we are a small team of 5 staff, and three of the Mazda's have died, with each having just 40k miles on the clock, all have needed new injectors, £1,500 per car under warranty, my car was of the road for 3 weeks, whilst the parts were ordered and work done Mazda main dealer.

I will be glad when the fossil car is dead and burried, they have had there time, and it's now the turn of the BEV.

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New injectors at 40k?? That's crazy! My Volvo had around 90K on it when I bought it 9 years ago, and 170K on it when I got rid of it a couple of weeks back. I don't know when, if ever, the injectors were replaced before I bought it, but I never needed to change them.

I personally think that the fossil fuel car will be with us for decades yet, largely because of what I said in my previous post. If, as the government has claimed, fossil fuel cars are to be banned from production in 2040, there will still be some around in 2060 or later. I very much doubt whether I will be, as I'm 69 now.

The turn of the BEV? Possibly, but I'm not so sure. We had loads of BEVs around in the 1950s, milk-floats, bread-vans etc, and they all disappeared to be replaced by diesels. I am also of the opinion that we won't have the infrastructure or sufficient power stations to meet the needs of mass BEV ownership for a great many years. I'm not sure that even my grandchildren will see it. We will need dozens if not hundreds more power stations to be built, and every one will be objected to most vigorously by anyone who lives within 10 miles of the proposed site. Just getting one more power station built takes many years from proposal to operational.

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Yep Colin, I thought it odd for the injectors to need replacing, maybe it's just a Mazda thing.

As for the future for BEV, all I know is that Tesla production of the Model 3 will increase from 6000 cars per week, to 10,000 per week in 2019.

That's one manufacturer and one model of car, to me that's a sign of change already.

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Mazda haven't produced a decent diesel ever. Bad error to choose one over VAG.

Having seen the strip down of an out of warranty 40,000 mile Tesla which needed a new drive motor (how much would that cost?), it was also found that the splines on the drive shafts were almost smooth.

This suggests penny pinching in the quality of some fundamental components to keep costs down.

Drive shafts should never need replacing due to worn splines.


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