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Message posted by Wobbly Box on 19/9/2018 at 11:15pm
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"Tesla heading for the graveyard" according to this news article

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/companies/tesla-is-headed-for-the-graveyard-predicts-former-gm-exec-bob-lutz/ar-BBNx6Kl?ocid=spartanntp


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The trouble with BEVs is not necessarily the cars themselves, it's the infrastructure necessary to run them. It's all very well places putting in charging points, but where is the electricity to come from, when the National Grid is practically at breaking point now?

Unless the government decides to build a whole raft of new power stations, and declares that as it's in the national interest no objections will be listened to, I don't think BEVs will be more than a niche market for decades.

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Where's your evidence that the National Grid is at breaking point?

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Wobbly Box, you need to watch the film "Who Killed The Electric Car" Bob Lutz of GM features in that, he was a real dinosaur until the penny dropped!

Yep daveyjp, I don't think there will be a problem with electric supply as BEV's increase in numbers, especially as electricity storage solutions are now being put into place.

Colin, Tesla alone are churning out 8,000 BEV's each and every week, that's hardly a niche market, and from just one of many auto makers.

Trust me as we go past 2020, BEV's will be all over the place like a rash!.

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Quote: Originally posted by daveyjp on 20/9/2018
Where's your evidence that the National Grid is at breaking point?



It's what the National Grid keep telling us. I have no evidence apart from that. Do you think they are telling us porkies and they really have plenty of capacity?

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 20/9/2018


Yep daveyjp, I don't think there will be a problem with electric supply as BEV's increase in numbers, especially as electricity storage solutions are now being put into place.

Colin, Tesla alone are churning out 8,000 BEV's each and every month, that's hardly a niche market, and from just one of many auto makers.

Trust me as we go past 2020, BEV's will be all over the place like a rash!.



The truth is, nobody knows! The only thing we can do is wait and see. My opinions are just that and no more, just my opinion.

What percentage of the total car production is 8,000 a month? I would imagine it is a very tiny one, hence my comment - niche market. Of the total number of cars on the road, BEVs are most definitely niche-market at this stage. When that will change is anybody's guess. My opinion is that it will take decades.

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Yep, Colin typo on my part, Tesla are producing 8000 BEV's each and every week, not month as I wrongly stated.

As mentioned, 32,000 BEV's from Tesla each month is far from niche.

And more to the point, each and every one of the Tesla BEV's is sold before it even comes of the production line.

Lee time is still well over 12 months if you want a Tesla Model 3 in the US, and UK punters placing orders today, will have to wait until at least 2020 before they get there car, and that's with UK Model 3's arriving into UK from next year, for orders placed over two years ago!

Tesla have so got the edge on battery Chem and management, that they are at least 4 years ahead in the game.

If you can't afford a Tesla BEV, then simply don't buy a BEV, as nothing else compares, other BEV manufacturers are desperate to work out how Tesla do the battery thing, so much so that they have bought a number of vehicles to reverse engineer.

All that's going on whilst Elon Musk is tooting on a splith, and quaffing brandy, and selling tickets for a ride on his SpaceX BFR rocket to the moon.

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If 32,000 a month is worldwide sales it's still a very small number. I have still only ever seen one Tesla, and that was very recently. How many other makes and models do I see on the road every day? I have no idea, but of all the cars I see, 99.999% of them are not Teslas. I'm certain that most people don't buy new anyway, so most of the cars on the road are multiple-owner vehicles. How many pre-owned BEVs are there on the road? Not many, I wouldn't mind betting.

I have nothing against BEVs, but I am never likely to own one, and in my opinion neither will most people of my age unless they are very wealthy and can afford more than one vehicle. I am about as likely to own a Learjet!

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Learjet?? ... Damn .. I knew I had forgotten something from this weeks shopping list.

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Do you honestly believe that within 18 months BEVs will be all over us like a rash........Honestly Francais! I would love to live in your world, wherever that is.

So the long awaited, game changing, no brainier Tesla 3 is now not due in the UK until 2020........What was your original forecast Francais sometime in 2018 😳😳😳

What makes anyone think Colin is wrong regarding electricity generation. Of course we will need huge investment in generation if we are to go totally EV. I read a report last year that said for the average motorway services, fuelling X amount of vehicles with Diesel/Petrol a day, to service the same amount of EVs with electricity, they would each need their own small power station.

We all accept that an alternative fuel source is needed, probably EVs, but we are a long, long way from having the infrastructure in place. Decades away.

For me personally, BEVs are a lifetime away. I need a large 4x4, 2.5 tonne towing capability. Please donít say they are being produced, their 70K + price tag is fantasy.

Now, I have the room/capacity to charge 5 vehicles overnight if I wanted. But how many people in the real world are able to charge a vehicle overnight, as a percentage, probably around 50%. What are the rest going to do!

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What is 'Lee' time?

Is splith the same thing, kinda sort of, as spliff?

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I will stick with diesel for towing, the economics of BEV don't work for us.
Could have bought a Mitsubishi PHEV to tow the van, 18mpg I think not!
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Thanks for the spell check, blueexpo97, "Lead Time" was one of my special ones!

The transition from fossil fueled cars, to cars that run on sustainable energy is happening, and will of course take many years before all fossil cars are eradicated from the roads.

We are really only at the beginning of this transitional journey, the amount of cars towing caravans is tiny, compared to the total number of cars that are on the road.

The fact of the matter is that those of us that don't need to tow will be able to embrace the BEV revolution, and those that need to run a fossil car will just be left behind having to pay the price, in fact they already are.

Being a driver of a fossil car will soon be viewed in the same way that a smoker is, in so much as it is a expensive habit that should be given up.

I will just go and put my tin hat on now!

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Well just been to a local car show.. to see what the new Lexus UX is like that is coming out in March .. too small for my camping gear so will stick to the RX.

While there saw my 2nd 3rd and 4th Tesla cars I have seen on the road .. Tesla were there with a Model S and two Model X .. while they looked nice the Model X is too impractical for my camping ...even though it is a 6 seater .. 2+2+2 ... the back seats fold but not the middle ones .. some good looking cars and ideas .. the wing doors for rear passengers but not practical for people like myself.

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Something that is rarely mentioned about the Tesla's is that all the body panels and most of the structure is aluminium.

I got to see the "S" and the "X" close up at the Tesla store in Stockport, both very nice car's but way over most people's budget.

The "3" will start of at around half the price of the "S", and should make for a decent priced used buy three years or so down the line.

I some how feel that the "Y" will be better suited to camping duties, but that model is still on the drawing board, although based on the "3" floor plan, so should be quick into production when they decide.

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what makes me laugh, seeing as we are talking about tesla on a caravanning and camping forum is when you go onto the tesla map and then look at each place on google maps, even if anyone here was able (daft) enough to consider using one of these cars for towing, please tell me just what the heck you do with the caravan or trailor whilst charging at a superfast point? because even if one was able to tow my caravan having to unhitch every 100 miles or so just to recharge for 30 mins each time isn't going to happen, leaving my caravan vunerable to thieft is not worth the risk and I will gladly pay the cost of fuel to remain the owner of the caravan and not have some toe rag nicking it thanks


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