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Message posted by blueexpo97 on 08/10/2018 at 10:22am
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He won't like any mention of 'minuscule' when talking Testla, because that would be a whole new ball of wax.

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This topic has digressed from towing a caravan with a Tesla to percentage of volume sales in the UK.
If you continue with that tack then Tesla sales may amount to a considerable percentage as the amount of electric cars that are capable of towing, at,this point in time, is less than miniscule!
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I would have thought that any car powered by an electric motor would be more than capable of towing. Electric motors are capable of developing considerable torque from zero rpm.

Think what electric trains can do. Even what we think of as diesel locomotives are actually diesel-electric, with electric motors actually driving the wheels. Some of these can haul thousands of tonnes.

There must therefore be another reason why few if any BEVs are approved for towing. Could it be, as I suspect, that towing would drastically reduce the range of the batteries?



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You increase the load on the vehicle,motor draws more current battery charge used, so range goes down.
Possibly drastically.
I agree about torque from electric motors, trains can accelerate pretty quickly eg TGV!
Trains,trams etc don't have to lug batteries about.
Same as fuel consumption increasing when towing.

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Yes of course the fuel consumption goes up when towing, whether ICE or EV, but what I think is making EV makers hold back on towing is the fact that the range goes down dramatically, and this would have a terribly negative impact on buyers. They certainly don't want to draw attention to it.

Those TGVs do accelerate rapidly, as do many other electric trains. Freight trains don't accelerate as quickly, but they can haul a massive load. Trains get their power from overhead wires though, so no battery problems that's true. I'm a retired train driver but I never got to drive TGVs or Eurostars.

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The majority of UK train lines aren't electrified,they still rely on diesel/electric power.
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maybe caravans will have big batteries too to add to the cars capacity when towing and maintain a decent range.

Maybe a Tesla caravan will arrive before the model 3 ?

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Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 08/10/2018
maybe caravans will have big batteries too to add to the cars capacity when towing and maintain a decent range.

Maybe a Tesla caravan will arrive before the model 3 ?



Now that would be a game changer!

A Tesla caravan......Wow, a no brainer! 😀👍

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The towing restrictions may be the heating effect on the motor and associated control circuits etc.

Electric motors have high starting currents of around 7 times the full load current. Powering the car up a hill may be OK within the motors capability but tugging a heavy caravan up a steep hill my over heat the motor.

Don't forget IC engines are water cooled with radiators whereas electric motors are simply air cooled with fans.

Not sure if this is the reason but a distinct possibility I think.

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Tesla Model "X" has no problem towing a regular caravan, although range is reduced, just like a fossil car.

But it does show that a BEV is fine for towing, it's just that Tesla is the only make to get type approval at the moment.

The fact is only a very few folk tow a caravan, or trailer for that matter, compared to the he number of cars on the road.

I think it's the least of Tesla's worries that the Model 3 is not yet type aproved for towing, they are not loosing sales because of it, although Tesla did anounce that there would be a tow hitch option for the Model 3.

Reading between the lines, it may be the case that the Model 3 based, Model Y is the version that gets towing type approval from the get go.

Who knows!

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Who does know? probably not Elon as he's been sent to the naughty corner, which is actually a room with no windows. And to occupy him he's been given some large sheets of paper and some non smokable crayons.

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Plenty of other manufacturers are developing electric vehicles.
Hyundai have a fuel cell suv which may be able to tow.They are making hydrogen fuel cell trucks too.
JLR do hybrids and electric suvs too.

The former Saab factory in Sweden is owned by a chinese company producing electric cars, at present for China.
They are based on former Saab 93,of ( electric versions were being developed by Saab before they shut down).
So Tesla will have competition from big boys!
Toyota already well established player n hybrids and plug in electric cars.


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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 07/10/2018
Yep Mike I agree, but the Tesla 220 mile short range Model 3, will be a whole different ball of wax, and should come in at around £25k after incentives, if that turns out to be the case, it will be a winner.

We won't really get any idea of the end price for the UK version until late next year at the earliest I am guessing.



OK, I am a, not to be turned, petrol/diesel head, I admit that, therefore I read a lot of motoring press, purely because I am interested.

I have now three three articles that “expect” the entry level Tesla 3 to be around £35K, one article stated £40K!   I was under the impression that the Govt plug in incentive was £4500, that would make the entry level T3 in excess of £30K, not £25K as you have stated.

If I were to walk into a car shop now and order a whatever model from a whatever car maker, I want to see what it is going to cost me in black and white. Not be told it is expected to cost £???

Would that seem unreasonable?

I have trawled the interweb, including Tesla, and cannot get the price of this damned car in the UK. Sorry, but that just seems crazy, and a little frustrating.

What is the cost of it in the USA.........Anyone!

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Being a petrolhead myself not sure if I would go electric,especially living in Shropshire where charging points are rare.
Hybrid maybe. I like the BMW supercar, its a 1.9 turbo with eletric motor for extra go! Lovely car but £100K.
Lottery win needed!

The whirr of an electric motor cannot compete with the rumble of a V8 or snarl of a Porsche or Ferrari!
Teslas are fast enough, in between rests for charge ups and repairs!

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I very much like the concept of electric cars, but I never buy anything until it has been mainstream for a good number of years. Couldn't afford one anyway.

Personally I can't see electric cars becoming mainstream for many years yet, as there are too many associated problems, mainly infrastructure related. So, if they become mainstream in say 10 years time, I would give them about 5 to 10 years after that before I would start to consider one (if I had the money), but by that time if I'm still around I would probably have given up driving anyway.

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I have now three three articles that “expect” the entry level Tesla 3 to be around £35K, one article stated £40K!   I was under the impression that the Govt plug in incentive was £4500, that would make the entry level T3 in excess of £30K, not £25K as you have stated.


My understanding was the Tesla 3 would be priced to compete with the BMW 3/ Merc c class/audi A4 and would be priced in that bracket to attract company car buyers.
It was never going to be 25k thats only a bit more than a new leaf.

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