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I am still curious about the second hand market. Take a look at the cars on the road today, and there are huge numbers of cars running about that are 8+ years old, and there are many of similar age in car sales lots. Huge numbers of people must therefore still be buying cars of that age, I'm one of them, and curiously although the price of nearly new diesel cars is dropping, and sales of new diesels have fallen, prices of older diesel cars appear to be rising. Last summer I was looking again at a replacement car, as I had done the previous year, and this became apparent to me. I eventually found what I was looking for, but I paid more for it than I would have done the year before. They were much harder to find for sale though, as it appears people are hanging on to them.
Where does this leave EVs? People who buy older cars are not looking at EVs, and probably won't for many years to come. In 10 years time I can see the roads being populated by wealthier people and those with company cars driving EVs, and the not so well off driving old diesels. Will a 10 year old EV ever be a viable option as 10 year old diesels currently are?
Of course the government could simply ban or price out old diesels, but that would mean that less well off people would have to give up driving. The current cost of a set of batteries for an EV is about twice what I would pay for a car!
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Message posted by Colin2115/11/2018 at 9:54pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 15/11/2018
Anyone buying a diesel today, needs there bumps feeling, unless they can buy the oil burner for next to nowt.
It's only a matter of time now, before petrol cars can offer the same mpg as a diesel, that will be game over for the diesel engine as we know it.
Why then is the price of older diesels rising? Petrols offering the same mpg as diesels? Certainly not the case for older diesels. My old Volvo did around 38-40 mpg around town, but the petrol version did 25 mpg at best. Petrol engines have a long way to go to equal the mpg of diesels, and they would need to get very close for the difference in price of the fuels to be a real factor.
Game over for the diesel engine as we know it? Vaguely possible if you are only talking about cars, but what about all the other applications of the diesel engine for which no viable alternative exists? Farm machinery, back-up generators, trucks, bulldozers, cranes and other plant, railway locomotives, and ships.
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