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Message posted by saxo110/12/2018 at 7:11pm
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Yep, the European version of the Model 3 is to come with a Tesla Supercharger port that also includes CCS charge port, add to that a Tesla ChadeMo adapter will mean finding a place to fast charge should not be a problem just about anywhere in the UK.

I doubt the reason why the Tesla you past on the transporter was down to running out of charge, more likely to be something else, maybe even just a delivery and collection situation.

Having said that a pukka Tesla Supercharger is due to go into Aberystwyth during 2019, probably 8 stalls as is the norm.

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Is it a silly question to ask how much it is going to cost?

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What you have to factor in Mike is the running cost for fuel, which for a BEV is 2p per mile or so, compare that to a fossil car costing around 15p per mile.

Even if the Tesla Model 3 works out £40k, if your doing the miles it's going to be cheaper overall to run than a fossil car costing £20k or so.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 10/12/2018
What you have to factor in Mike is the running cost for fuel, which for a BEV is 2p per mile or so, compare that to a fossil car costing around 15p per mile.

Even if the Tesla Model 3 works out £40k, if your doing the miles it's going to be cheaper overall to run than a fossil car costing £20k or so.



At the moment!....How long will it be before the falling fuel tax receipts lead to huge increases in the cost of running a BEV? Don't forget that diesel prices rose considerably when diesel cars became popular, due to massive improvements in diesel technology.

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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 10/12/2018
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And only 1 of the Tesla one's is actually in Aber, and that is at someones house!


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Yes LlaniDavis, but putting in a fast charging network world wide by just one car maker is not going to happen over night, although Tesla are doing a pretty good job at getting on with the task.

Of course there are also the Tesla destination chargers that Tesla owners can use, not as rapid as a a Supercharger. But better than nothing I guess, and worse case scenario they can plug into any regular domestic type 13amp socket, although that would take an age to charge.

At least with the arrival of the a Tesla Model 3 having the capability to fast charge from a Tesla Supercharger, CCS or ChadeMo it kinda spreads the load, pun intended!.

Why there was never a international standard agreed, using one connector type for BEV's is a mystery to me.

Having said that CCS fast charging for Europe seems to now be becoming the defacto standard.

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Audi e tron costs £71K about same as Jag I Pace.
Think I will pass!
If everyone has BEVs where will mayor Kahn get his extra cash to fund Transport for London? His new emissions zone will be a non starter!

Where will all these electric cars get charged? Difficult ifyou live in flats or terraced house!

Where will all the power come from?
Road tax etc will have to go up to make up shortfall on fuel tax.

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Since 2005 the UK demand for electricity has gradually decreased,It has dropped by 9% in the last 7 years.
People quote the time that it takes to recharge the batteries but they always quote from empty to full,in practice the majority of charges are just top-ups.
Back in the Fifties,sixties and seventies there was a huge increase in demand due to the use of Night Store heating so much so that they were only available for recharging at restricted times mainly overnight.
This form of heating is nowhere near as popular as it used to be.
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Message posted by Mike300311/12/2018 at 12:02pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 10/12/2018
What you have to factor in Mike is the running cost for fuel, which for a BEV is 2p per mile or so, compare that to a fossil car costing around 15p per mile.

Even if the Tesla Model 3 works out £40k, if your doing the miles it's going to be cheaper overall to run than a fossil car costing £20k or so.



£40K!! 😳😳. That would mean annual road tax of £310.......Wouldn’t it?

The difference of 13pp per mile to run in fuel, and a price difference of 20K to buy the car. You would have to do around 155,000 miles before being better off, minus the road tax at £310 a year. My 4x4 pick up truck that can tow 2.5 tonne, carry a tonne in the back and five people is £100 a year less to tax.

Now I am not working, apart from running a small business which takes up about 6 days a month, my annual mileage is around 10k a year. It would take around 15 years for me to break even! Plus I would have spent over £4.5K in road tax.

Perhaps I am not getting the maths correctly, I must confess it was never a strong point of mine.......Unless there are ££££ signs in front! 😀👍

I am all for alternative power, totally, but it is going to be a long, long time before a sensibly priced BEV is produced, let alone one that can do more than tramp up and down a motorway or go to the shops.

If I had any intention of buying BEV in the near future, which I haven’t, Tesla would not be on my top 6 list anyway.

The ICE power private vehicle is going to be with us for a very, very long time yet, whether that Petrol or Diesel.

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You assume that your road tax will remain at £210,my Honda CRV is now £250!
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My Hyundai Tucson is £315!

I don't think that anything other than purchase price is terribly relevant just now, as nobody knows how things will play out. Whilst BEVs form only a very tiny percentage of the cars on the road, nothing much will change, but if/when they start to become mainstream things could alter drastically.

In my opinion, it is unlikely that it will be as easy to tax electricity exclusively used to charge cars, as it is fuel to run cars at present, the most likely course of action by the government would be to collect road tax from BEVs to replace the lost revenue from fuel tax. This could turn out to be quite substantial. Like the current road tax on fossil cars, this would be a tax on ownership rather than on use, as is the case with fuel tax at present.   

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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 11/12/2018
You assume that your road tax will remain at £210,my Honda CRV is now £250!
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Yep, it’s a commercial vehicle.

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not really a fair comparison to a Tesla then.
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Yep, the Tesla Model 3 will see a big take take up here in the UK, and like all other BEV's the drive train is simplistic, with no where near the number of parts to fail like what a fossil car has.

Add to that the aluminium body, and tech it will be a sure winner amongst BEV's.

Personally I think the Kia Niro BEV, could be the better seller of the two, if Kia/Hyundai can churn out the numbers.

The Kia with less tech, but similar range to the Tesla, but at a lower purchase price, make it a definite contender.

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"the Tesla Model 3 will see a big take take up here in the UK"

And you know this how?

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