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Message posted by Grampian91 on 17/8/2016 at 10:19pm
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They cool the batteries to limit the amount of heat generated, but other than that its the same as fast charging your laptop.

Underspec the batteries and you can get away with a lot of degeneration in the batteries and yet still be above 80% capacity.

Its all about tweaking the numbers.



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These 2 figures must not exceed 3500kg. And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.

Unless the manufacturer has set a lower limit.

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To me it's real simple, all teslas look great they are unbelievably fast ( literally the quickest cars on the road) they plan to make a more affordable one and it can tow, & they are a green car which all companies are more than happy to enforce on us.

So for me the car tax will be low, it will cost me nowt to run and whatever teething problems they have will be sorted under warranty, as for the batteries you get a 8 year warranty

People keep talking about the Nissan Leaf, in my eyes it's ugly,slow,has a crap range & it's a Nissan

As already said this car will change the future of all cars, all the other manufactures will have to up the anti to compete,

just imagine the only cost for a weekend away is your pitch fees, for me that's a big plus making my ever increasing hobby more cost effective

I'd be pretty certain the residuals would be very high for the 1st 7 years as well,

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 17/8/2016
Well the Tesla Model S was first on the road from 2012, plenty of those around some with over 100k miles on the clock.


Plenty of folk have fitted towbars to their Model S, even though as far as I am aware the Model S has never been type approved for having a tow bar fitted.

The Model 3 will be tow bar type approved, it has been said.

I am not sure how Tesla have got around the problems related to fast charging, but they have.

I personally feel that E.V. technology has been held back on purpose, it surely must be a big concern for the oil producers.





Tesla cars may have been around a while, but not in any quantity. I have never seen even one.

Regarding fitting tow-bars, towing with any vehicle will reduce the distance it can travel without refuelling, and the Tesla will be no different. I wonder what the range would be with a caravan in tow.

I too agree that EV technology has been deliberately held back, as it will hit the oil industry hard. In my opinion, if the oil industry was seriously concerned about the Tesla, they would have thrown everything in their considerable power at it, possibly even buying it up to stop it. I'm sure that's happened before with other technologies. The fact that they haven't tells me that they aren't in the least bothered, which means that either they know Tesla's claims are grossly overstated, or that Tesla will never sell enough to bother them. I'd love to see the oil industry "given a bloody nose" so let's hope Tesla can pull it off.


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Yep I had to do a double take the other day, when I noticed a Red Tesla Model S parked up in our village, don't think the owner lives here as I have not seen it since.

And a couple of weeks back I noticed another Blue Tesla Model S going along the M66, so they are about.

Of course the Tesla Model S is a completely different ball of wax to what will be the Model 3, in fact the story behind why it's called the Model 3 and not the Model E as was first planned, you will laugh at that one if you don't already know.

So the Model S is close on 100k fully loaded, whilst the Model 3 will land in the UK at just under 30k knock 5k of for the UK E.V subsidy, and your into the same price range as a decent Mondeo and lower end Beamers.

The Model S of course appeals to the higher end of the market, especially company car drivers who are well up the food chain, as the CC BIK car tax, is a fraction of that for an ICE 100k car.

This why I think that the Model 3 will be a big hit for company car fleets in the UK, which will be great for the used marked, I can see a three year old Model 3 going for well under 10k and that will be interesting to many folk, as the car will still have 5 years warranty, add to that virtually zero fuel and servicing cost's it's happy days.

Tesla have sold over 140,000 cars since they started around 2010, not a huge number compared to the main stream car manufacturers but a considerable number none the less.

Production is ramping up, with 90,000 cars being produced this year alone, and next year will see a massive step change as they will need to produce around 400,000 cars, with the introduction of the Model 3, full production is expected by 2020 seeing 500,000 EV's being produced each year, an ambitious target it has to be said.

Of course for me as a CC driver the firm issuing me with an E.V. would in actual fact see me out of pocket, with the added hassle of having to charge at least once each day, but I guess that's the price of progress and I don't have any say in the matter.





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Francais what makes you think the value will be less than 10 k, look at bmws, mercs, audio, passats, and mondeos all are worth more than 10 k at 3 years old, a good car is worth 50% of it original price tag, but this is car that will cost nothing to run, to lose 20k over 3 years give it a lease price of at least �550 each month.
I think it will be worth �17500 to 20k at 3 years and will be a desireable second hand. Option

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You could well be more on the mark than me Bessie, I have not bought my own car since before 1985, I used to go down to the auctions to buy my car's back in those days.

So having driven company cars for the last 31 years, I am very much out of touch with used car prices.

I did inquire about buying one of the firms VW Golf TDi BlueMotion's a couple of years back for a friend, I think the new list price was around 20k and at just under 3 years old with 85k miles on the clock, they were going through the auction's for about 7,500 they thought that was OK and bought one, not sure what the forecourt price was though, probably a little more but with a lot less miles on.

One thing though, the thought of having to buy my own car and maintain it does scare the hell out of me, not to mention having to pay for the fuel to make it go, I am not sure how others manage to do it!, so maybe when I retire a used Tesla Model 3 may be the car for me, if I can afford one, and I will have all the time in the world to charge it up, hopefully at some one else's expense.

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Predicting what a car will be worth in years to come is a bit of a black-art, I feel. Like everything else, a car is only worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it. Personally I am inclined to think that initially the prices of used electric cars will plummet, as most people will be very wary of them, but I could be completely wrong. People tend to think of electric cars as a "new concept", despite the fact that one of the very first cars ever built was electric. People tend to be suspicious of anything "new". The prospect of having to renew a battery pack within weeks, even if not true, will put many off in my opinion.

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Yep, but on a three year old Tesla Model 3, you would still have five years warranty left, and that covers the battery, once it fails to hold less than 80% charge, so not much to worry about on that part, as the warranty is for unlimited mileage during the 8 years.

Edit = can't do the link, but check out "Tesla Camper Mode" a Google will find it under Bloomberg news, now if that is not the best USP of them all, I don't know what is!



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Having had long experience of dealing with manufacturers and car dealers in the motor trade I think I'd want an expert to look at the warranty exclusions before I believed an 8 year warranty on the battery packs.

Also be very interested in exactly what is meant by charging to 80% capacity. Knowing a bit about the performance of similar battery packs from industrial usage the headline figure doesn't always mean what you think it does.

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Plenty on the a Tesla forum, regards the warranty situation for both battery and motor.

It's not something that concerns me at the moment, as with being a company car driver, I hope to continue that way until retirement becons in 10 years time.

Of course when it comes time for me to buy my own car, I will be deeply interested in the Tesla warranty, especially for a used model.

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Does this mean we can do away with the leisure battery on the caravan. Just plug it into the car.

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Yep, but best take a gennie, to keep the Tesla topped up!

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Colin 21 that's my line of work I have to set the rv's on commercial vehicles as well as sell them, if we get it wrong in the front end it can be horrendous on the back end.
Look at it this way teslas are a luxury brand car a car that cost 30k + now is at least 35k in 3/4 years time, then look at the running cost which is 0 this has to make it the biggest demand second hand car out their, most people's mileage is 50 miles tops a day so battery life is fine , if you had to stop on s long journey to charge your battery up well that's a small price to pay for free running.
I can assure you the second hand value will be rally strong , only time will Tell

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Another interesting development was the short lived battery swop out system for the Tesla Model S, it took just 90 seconds to swop out a flat battery for a fully charged battery.

In fact in a Pepsi type challenge they swoped out two Model S cars, in less time than it took to fill an ICE Sedan with 15gal of Petrol, or Gas as the Yanks say.

Of course the idea fly's in the face of running an EV, even though the swop out was fully automated, there would have to be a $65 charge to recoup the cost of the kit that does the swop.

Great video though.



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Just for a minute there I thought this was the section for caravan towcars and towing advice, how wrong it appears I am.

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Well it could be relevant, as the Tesla Model 3, just might be able to tow a caravan, albiet a very light one, and not for very far.

On the other hand it could be the perfect solution for towing a camping trailer.

How many E.V. models are there out there at the moment, that are even type approved for the fitting of a tow bar, not many I suspect.


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