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Message posted by bessie500 on 18/12/2018 at 2:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 18/12/2018
It is also suggested that road use pricing could be introduced to compensate.
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Why does that not surprise me, just like switching the smart motorways to permanently do anyone that does over 70 mph regardless of time

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How about VED on caravans?
I'll duck behind the settee and don my hard hat!
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 18/12/2018
It is also suggested that road use pricing could be introduced to compensate.
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Indeed that is a possibility, but it's not without its problems. In a way, the current system of fuel duty is a road use tax, but road pricing as in setting a fee to use specific roads tends to move traffic onto other routes. Put a tax on a bypass, and a large proportion of the traffic goes through the town or village to avoid it. Tax a motorway and the old A roads take a hit.

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the proposal isn't just a tax on specific roads it is proposed that it would be a charge on vehicle miles driven.
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Should tax all foreign trucks that use our roads, that should help with our haulage industry and reduce the rate we have to pay to tax our own vehicles

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They pay already:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-truck-firms-set-to-pay-to-use-uk-roads-for-first-time
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brilliant, looks like it's been charged for a while now as well

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When Solar PV panels were introduced the government subsidised them with Feed in Tariffs (FITs). Initially the subsidies were high and the cost of the panels was also high.

Over the years they reduced the subsidies and miraculously, the cost of panels reduced at the same time so paybacks remained competitive.

They are stopping the subsidies in 2019 as teh cost of panels has reduced sufficiently to make them a viable investment in their own right.

Similarly, government subsidies and tax advantages for electric cars will initially be high and will reduce gradually over time to keep them a viable option.

It will of course be difficult to tax electricity going into your car but not if you use it for power and lighting etc. Smart meters will have to be a lot smarter than they are now.


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The loss of fuel tax revenue may not be as bad as people think.
With an increased uptake of electric vehicles the amount this country spends on importing petroleum products will decline.
We spend app 26 billion pounds per annum on oil/petroleum imports of which app 60% is used for road transport.
The reduction in demand wouldn't necessarily make up the losses but it would be a major contribution.
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Thanks saxo1 and Blueexpo97, for posting the links to show Mike, that I don't make the Tesla stuff up.

Although I do need to work out how to attach links and photos on here again.

As for smart motorways, one that made me laugh near Sheffield, was 50mph with the gantry sign stating the limit was in place to reduce air pollution, yeh right!.

Why can't they be honest, and just say that we have the cash generator turned on today.


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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 18/12/2018

As for smart motorways, one that made me laugh near Sheffield, was 50mph with the gantry sign stating the limit was in place to reduce air pollution, yeh right!.

Why can't they be honest, and just say that we have the cash generator turned on today.




I may, on occasion, question your very bias statements Francais............But I could not agree more with the above.

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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 18/12/2018
The loss of fuel tax revenue may not be as bad as people think.
With an increased uptake of electric vehicles the amount this country spends on importing petroleum products will decline.
We spend app 26 billion pounds per annum on oil/petroleum imports of which app 60% is used for road transport.
The reduction in demand wouldn't necessarily make up the losses but it would be a major contribution.
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I really don’t see how this statement makes sense, the loss in tax revenue is there however much we import.

Have you got a BEV Saxo 1

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We will spend less on importing petroleum products for the ICE and the amount saved will be available to offset the loss of fuel duty.
I drive a 4x4 and until recently drove a 6 berth motorhome and have just sold my caravan,If I could afford it I would certainly be interested in a Tesla!
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 19/12/2018
We will spend less on importing petroleum products for the ICE and the amount saved will be available to offset the loss of fuel duty.
I drive a 4x4 and until recently drove a 6 berth motorhome and have just sold my caravan,If I could afford it I would certainly be interested in a Tesla!
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I think the point being.......If you could afford it.

Do you need a 4x4, I could not live without my 4x4 pick up, it is the only car that is of any use to me.

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The point is I don't dismiss them as useless just because they don't have an ICE,there are lots of other cars with ICEs that I would like but can't afford.
I have a 4x4 because I find it is easier for me to get in and out and when I bought it I had a caravan.
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If I could afford it I would quite like a BEV as a second car. It would be more than adequate for much of my day to day driving needs, but I can only afford to buy and run one vehicle. Therefore that vehicle has to be capable of pulling my caravan, and has to cost me no more than £2,500, which is what I paid for my current car last September. I can't see BEVs ever getting to that sort of price, and still being perfectly usable, at least in my lifetime. I can't see one being able to pull my caravan on a journey down to Cornwall either, as it's over 300 miles. My current car ticks all the boxes, no BEV does.

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