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Message posted by saxo1 on 19/12/2018 at 4:55pm
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Less than 3% of car owners have caravans.
The current range of BEVs are aimed at the other 97%,it isn't a viable option for manufacturers to concentrate on producing a BEV capable of towing,increased range is their primary objective.
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 19/12/2018
Less than 3% of car owners have caravans.
The current range of BEVs are aimed at the other 97%,it isn't a viable option for manufacturers to concentrate on producing a BEV capable of towing,increased range is their primary objective.
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That may well be the case, but what percentage of motorists buy a new car? In all probability most new cars are bought as company cars. The biggest private market is used cars, and many of those used cars are 8+ years old. What will an 8 year old used BEV be worth? How far will it go on a charge compared to when it was new? An ICE car will go just as far on a tankful, even at 18 years old as my last car did. It still pulled my caravan just fine too.

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App 56% of newly registered cars are company registrations but only 9% of the total no of cars on the road are company owned.
The average age of a s/hand car on the roads is 8 years old,it is impossible to say what residual values of BEVs will be in the future or how they will perform that would be pure speculation.
App 15% of cars on the road are more than 14 years old
The biggest sellers were Ford fiesta,Ford Focus, Vauxhall Corsa, Vauxhall Astra and VW golf,how many of these do you see pulling a caravan?
Twice as many 10 year old cars still on the road are petrol than diesel.

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Your last sentence is a bit of a surprise Saxo, but then maybe 10 years ago diesel cars weren't quite so popular. Diesel engines generally last longer than petrol, which is one reason they are so popular today. I haven't had a petrol engined car for around 15 years.

Cars do seem to last a lot longer these days. I can remember with my first cars that rust killed many cars by the time they were 8 years old, and cars over 10 years old were very rare. Those that were still around had either been very heavily restored or were falling to bits. My 18 year old Volvo showed no signs of rust at all when I got rid of it, and it still had a long MOT.

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I admit that last statistic surprised me as well, but app 60% of all cars on the road are petrol so I suppose it isn't so surprising.
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 19/12/2018
I admit that last statistic surprised me as well, but app 60% of all cars on the road are petrol so I suppose it isn't so surprising.
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When you look at it like that it probably isn't so surprising, but I would have expected petrol engined cars to have had a shorter life span, particularly the engines.

My first 4-wheeled car (I started with a 3 wheeler) was a Ford Anglia 100E with an 1172cc side valve engine. Those engines usually lasted around 50,000 miles, and even after 30k they were often getting very smoky. My Volvo 2.5 diesel had 170,000 on the clock, still the original engine, and it ran like a watch. I know there's a lot of time between the two, but even today petrol engines don't usually do as many miles as a diesel.

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Believe it or not Colin the car with the highest recorded mileage is a 1966 Volvo p1800 with 3 million miles, and its petrol

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Believe it or not Colin the car with the highest recorded mileage is a 1966 Volvo p1800 with 3 million miles, and its petrol

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WOW! Still with the original engine though?
I remember those, my brother-in-law had one many years back.

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Colin itís on itís original engine, and has a extensive service history, the second highest is a Mee and the third is another Volvo

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True,saw an article about it,it was a guy on the USA,apparantly Volvo gave him a new car! Maybe his old one is in a museum.
Cars do last well, you don't see to many rustbuckets due to stricter mots and better rustproofing.
More likely to be scrapped due to electronic devices failing or expensive bits breaking.
My Saab will be 12 in Match,its in lovely condition and has low mileage for its age. Fortunately spares are available,new and used but its only had routine bits replaced.
I have thought about maybe getting a smaller ecoboost type petrol or hybrid, but its still a fair chunk of cash which we can spend on travelling!

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Donít bother with the ford eco boost they have problems with the head blowing

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Nowadays a petrol engine,provided it is serviced regularly,should easily attain well in excess of 100,000
miles.
I had 2 Ford Cortinas and 1 Vauxhall Cavalier that had done over 100,000 miles each, apart from oil and oil filter changes they weren't particularly well maintained.
The average motorist drives less than 8000 miles per year so it's not surprising that there are more 10 year old petrol cars than diesels.
I looked up the MOT history for the last Vauxhall Cavalier I had and it's last MOT was in 2011 and it had 173000 on the clock,I assume it then went to the knackers yard!
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F.a.o Colin

https://www.everlance.com/blog/10-highest-mileage-vehicles/

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Saxon I always thought it was 12k average mileage, just goes to show how much the rise in fuel cost has impacted driving

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IT WAS 9200 IN 2002 and has steadily declined most years since.
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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 20/12/2018
Saxon I always thought it was 12k average mileage, just goes to show how much the rise in fuel cost has impacted driving

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That is still the average the motor trade use.



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