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Well Colin at least it will be electric, or maybe you are going to be a rebel and go for a Diesel powered mobility scooter.

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Because fuel cell vehicles need very oxygen to work,they take air and put it through a filtration system so when it comes out its actually cleaner!
Water is the only other output!
Thats a green vehicle!
Same time to fll as a normal fuel car!


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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 02/3/2019
Well Colin at least it will be electric, or maybe you are going to be a rebel and go for a Diesel powered mobility scooter.



That's what I've always said, it's the only BEV I'm ever likely to drive.

Mind you, that is an idea. A 2 litre turbo-diesel mobilty scooter, hmmm..................

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Quote: Originally posted by 664DaveS on 02/3/2019
Because fuel cell vehicles need very oxygen to work,they take air and put it through a filtration system so when it comes out its actually cleaner!
Water is the only other output!
Thats a green vehicle!
Same time to fll as a normal fuel car!

That ignores the amount of energy required to produce the Hydrogen!
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True but not lugging around a big battery pack!
The hydrogn can be produced off peak and stored unlike elctricity for BEVs.
Its a viable alternative and more convenient than BEVs.

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I agree with DaveS, and who knows what the future holds.

But as it stands today we are going down the BEV road, pun intended.

The Fast Charger network is developing quickly, and Tesla are ahead of the game on that, although CCS and Chademo are spreading with VAG involvement along with other automakers to expand the CCS network over Europe through the Ionity fast charger network.

Silly though that there are 3 types of Fast Charger connector, you would have though that they could have come up with the one world standard type from the get go.

Even the new Tesla Model 3 has a different connector to the "S" and the "X".

And Tesla are now busy retro fitting CCS outlets to there SuperChargers.

What we are seeing here is a step change towards standardisation, and that looks set to be CCS connector type.

Existing Tesla "S" and "X" owners will be able to buy a adapter so that they can plug in into a CCS only fast charger.

No doubt Model "S" and "X" cars will start to come through with CCS charge ports, instead of the type 2 Mennekes as currently fitted, well for Europe at least.

Tesla Model "S" and "X" owners can buy a Chademo adapter for around £500, but as far as I am aware there is no CCS to Chademo adapter for Europe model 3 owners, but as there are so many Tesla SuperChargers and CCS fast chargers that will not be an issue.

Not sure we're that leaves Chademo as CCS becomes supreme in Europe, if Nissan change the Leaf (Europe version) from Chademo to CCS, that could be the tipping point for Chademo to exit Europe, who knows.

Another headache in the waiting for importing Japense used BEV cars, as they will all be Chademo as that seems to be the standered in Japan.

Current importers of Japanese used cars, only have to worry about getting the the FM radio sorted out!


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BEVs can be charged at off peak times and there is a lot of research and development into large battery banks for storage of electricity as well as the use of peer to peer charging.
Mirai weights 1850 kg, a similarly priced Tesla Model 3 weights only 1730 kg.
The HFCV may be the vehicle of the future but that is a long way off.
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Right that's it then, if they can't even get their charging thingy ma jigs sorted out I'm not buying one.
After all I was only going to use it to take the dogs down the park, they're not fit for anything else.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 03/3/2019
I agree with DaveS, and who knows what the future holds.

But as it stands today we are going down the BEV road, pun intended.

The Fast Charger network is developing quickly, and Tesla are ahead of the game on that, although CCS and Chademo are spreading with VAG involvement along with other automakers to expand the CCS network over Europe through the Ionity fast charger network.

Silly though that there are 3 types of Fast Charger connector, you would have though that they could have come up with the one world standard type from the get go.

Even the new Tesla Model 3 has a different connector to the "S" and the "X".

And Tesla are now busy retro fitting CCS outlets to there SuperChargers.

What we are seeing here is a step change towards standardisation, and that looks set to be CCS connector type.

Existing Tesla "S" and "X" owners will be able to buy a adapter so that they can plug in into a CCS only fast charger.

No doubt Model "S" and "X" cars will start to come through with CCS charge ports, instead of the type 2 Mennekes as currently fitted, well for Europe at least.

Tesla Model "S" and "X" owners can buy a Chademo adapter for around £500, but as far as I am aware there is no CCS to Chademo adapter for Europe model 3 owners, but as there are so many Tesla SuperChargers and CCS fast chargers that will not be an issue.

Not sure we're that leaves Chademo as CCS becomes supreme in Europe, if Nissan change the Leaf (Europe version) from Chademo to CCS, that could be the tipping point for Chademo to exit Europe, who knows.

Another headache in the waiting for importing Japense used BEV cars, as they will all be Chademo as that seems to be the standered in Japan.

Current importers of Japanese used cars, only have to worry about getting the the FM radio sorted out!


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Get goes, Chademo, CCS, step change, £500 adaptors, type 2 Mekkenes and VAG involvement! 😳😳

I gotta say, this is all well beyond me I am afraid. I just go to the filling station, stick a diesel nozzle in the hole near the back and around 750 miles later........I do it again,

Can I just get a car that I can plug in anywhere, without CCS’s, Chafemos’s, Mekkenes or £500 adaptors.

Without a doubt, alternative fuel cars are the future......... But it ain’t gonna be Tesla.

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Yep Saxo1, home charging is the way to go, although not always practical especially for folk living in terraced houses or flats etc with restricted parking and no access to mains power for charging.

We live in an 1898 end terrace, with double concrete garage, and as luck would have it the previous owner used the garage as a workshop so has 32amp power supply, which would make putting in a 7kw BEV charger a doddle, and would give a charge rate of 30 miles per hour, so an over night charge, say 7 hours would bring most BEV to fully charged by the next morning, with up to 210 miles range.

In fact I was even thinking about 3 Phase electric going in, which would give 22kw charging that would give charge rate of 80 miles per hour, but to be fair home charging is not really about speed, that's what the public fast chargers are for.

Also downside is the £4k or so to get 3 Phase electric put in.

For those comments Mike, you will probably put petrol in by mistake when you next fill up.

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Western power are installing 3 phase supplies on some new build housing developments in Sth Wales and upgrading others.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 03/3/2019

For those comments Mike, you will probably put petrol in by mistake when you next fill up.



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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 03/3/2019

We live in an 1898 end terrace, with double concrete garage, and as luck would have it the previous owner used the garage as a workshop so has 32amp power supply, which would make putting in a 7kw BEV charger a doddle, and would give a charge rate of 30 miles per hour, so an over night charge, say 7 hours would bring most BEV to fully charged by the next morning, with up to 210 miles range.




I have, and own, a detached, 3 bed bungalow in the Dartmoor National Park. I have a drive, parking for 3 cars and a caravan, and a garage/workshop with 13 power outlets inside and 4 external. Just for the record.

But I envy your lifestyle where you don’t need to have a car outside your working hours, and can just come home, plug it in and watch Eastenders. Don’t you ever want to use your car in the evening/night, instead of having to to plug it into your £4K, 3phase system. What if, god forbid, you have an emergency in the night and NEED your car.

Alternative fuel cars are the future, no doubt, but it ain’t for me at the moment. They just don’t suit my lifestyle and pastimes.

Next Thursday I pick up my brand new car, a VW 2.0 Diesel SUV 4x4, I could buy a new BEV tomorrow, but they just ain’t no good for me. Still got my pick up truck, which I will never get rid of, no reasonably affordable BEV can do what that can........No where near.


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That's you paranoid now Mike, lol.

Don't worry I have been driving diesel company cars for over 20 years, and back in November we switched to petrol, I need an EV before the inevitable happens, all though I am assured that the 18 plate BMW that I am driving has a preventative device fitting, basically as smaller filler neck, making it difficult to get the diesel in there, but were there is a way!

New cars don't get me started, my firm has moved off 2 year lease, onto hire, so I get a brand new car every 4 months, admin wise it's a complete pita, and our team are constantly pushing back to return to 2 year lease.

Yep Saxo1, I have seen that the REA are calling for all new builds to have 3 Phase electric installed, I guess on a new build it adds little to the overall cost if anything.

It makes sense as we move away from fossil fuels, as homes become more dependant on electric only, wood burners aside.

Maybe there will be some kind of grant for retro fitting 3 Phase to older properties, wishful thinking I know.

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I read yesterday that he new electric vw golf can be charged to 80% in 45 minutes.

Since most people wouldn’t use a full charge in a week that could probably charged up whilst shopping, and if it�s in Tesco it�s free

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Yep Bessie, the new electric Golf is also to be RWD, which will make for a fun drive.


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