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Message posted by bessie500 on 26/6/2019 at 12:09am via mobile
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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 26/6/2019
How many cars are likely to be in the Cardiff area at any one time? 60 chargers still seems like a really tiny number to me. If everybody started to get EVs, even 600 chargers would probably be inadequate.




Colin your right itís not a lot, but itís a start, to be fair I would of thought most electric car drivers would plan their journeys without the need to charge in a city centre.
Letís be honest most driver would only need to charge once a week

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 26/6/2019
Colin your right itís not a lot, but itís a start, to be fair I would of thought most electric car drivers would plan their journeys without the need to charge in a city centre.
Letís be honest most driver would only need to charge once a week

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I suggest you look at a map and at the commuter profile for Cardiff!
And remember that you are looking at a regional population in excess of 1 million.


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llanidavis i just had a quick look at an app, as i said i'm sure you'd find more if you spent more time looking or if you owned a electric car youd certainly no more places,but again it's early days for electric cars so i'm sure the charger locations will grow.

If i had the ability to fuel my car from home, i'm pretty certain i'd hardly ever fill up at a garage, even if you reduced my range down to 250 miles, Would you ?

A guy i work with is just putting planning in to build his own house, turns out all new homes built with a garage now have to be built with a car charging point. so going forward all new homes with a garage will be self sufficiant

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I'm sure the number of charging points will grow, but it could be at bit of a chicken-or-egg situation. People reluctant to buy an EV because of the lack of charging points and companies reluctant to invest until more people have electric cars.

For most people I'm sure an EV would be more than adequate for their average motoring, me included, but a great many people can't afford one. Then again a great number of people wouldn't be able to charge one at home because of where they live. I could easily charge one at home, but my budget for a car wouldn't even buy a set of batteries. If someone gave me an EV it would suit me fine for most of my motoring, but it still wouldn't be any good for towing my caravan.



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I think councils have money waiting to install chargers but don't really know the best places to put them yet, which are not privately operated spaces.

If you put one in a car park, someone will park in the bay and start charging while they go off to work. Will they return 2 hours later to move it. Not easy.


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With the Tesla Superchargers there is some kind of penalty if the car does not disconnect when charging is completed, so maybe that answers the above as far as fast charging a Tesla is concerned.

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Bjorn Nyland has just posted a video on YouTube of the Model 3 towing a large twin axel braked van body box trailer, with 2000kg capacity, although the trailer was empty so just 600kg, the Model 3 is rated to 910kg for a braked trailer, and 750kg for a trailer with no brakes.

Very impressive initial results, which should put to bed any concerns about loosing a vast amount of range when towing with a BEV.

His next video will show towing with a 750kg none braked camping type trailer, I will be even more interested to see the results of that.

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so the 2000kg is irrelevant as he is actually only towing 600kg.not many caravans on this forum coming in at 600kg.


But at least its a start. do you have the link to these videos.

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The link thing seems to have stopped working on my device, but a simple search on YouTube using bjorn nyland will find you the post.

It was good to see the Model 3 doing some real world towing, to be fair if it can handle 910kg that's fine by me, mostly the Model 3 will only be used for towing none braked 750kg trailers.

I am guessing the Model Y will be good for 1,500kg which is probably more use for folk with caravans.

For us tent campers 750kg is more than good enough, as such trailers are generally without brakes.

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The one that I am really waiting for is the Tesla Model ďYĒ deliveries for that Tesla should begin sometime 2021 for the UK, by that time battery tech and range will have improved a little.

The Tesla Model ďYĒ is really the one that everyone is waiting for, and many with Model 3bowners will be quick to trade in for that version, the good thing about that is there will be a lot of two year Model 3ís coming onto the used UK car market, I guess between £15k upto £20k.

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I have a feeling that a trailer or folding caravan etc will have much less wind resistance than full height caravans. As such, the fuel consumption will increase by around 10% but with a proper caravan it will double.

When batteries discharge, they can deliver a much larger ampere hour figure when discharged slowly. Doubling the fuel consumption will halve the time for the battery to discharge at its normal non towing rate and this will further reduce the power available.

In other words the range will be considerably less than 50%.

Me thinks Elon Musk will have to develop a range of very expensive light weight self erecting folding caravans to further empty the wallets of the rich.


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Reasonably priced lgv with good range is what I'm waiting for. No rush.

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Bjorn Nyland has now posted a YouTube video of the Tesla Model 3 towing a small trailer, to be fair itís quite a big twin axle braked 300kg net weight trailer, so I am guessing over a 1000kg or more when loaded.

Not being a box trailer the results are impressive.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 22/7/2019
Bjorn Nyland has now posted a YouTube video of the Tesla Model 3 towing a small trailer, to be fair itís quite a big twin axle braked 300kg net weight trailer, so I am guessing over a 1000kg or more when loaded.

Not being a box trailer the results are impressive.



However I notice that he fails completely to comment on the effect this has on the range capabilities of the vehicle.
I wonder why?


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I am pretty sure that he mentions a figure of 250km for towing the smaller of the two trailers, whilst the quoted range for the AWD Long Range Model 3 is 523km.

250km is still a useful range, although if the findings are accurate thatís a good 50% loss of range whilst towing.

What he has yet to do is to tow a small trailer none braked trailer say loaded to 600kg gross.

Going of Bjornís findings so far, I am guessing the reduction on range with a small camping trailer would be around 30% which would give a useable range of 366km or 228 miles, I could live with that, for my 1,115 mile journey to Frejus, as we never do more than 400 miles in the one day, so that would involve just two Supercharger stops each day, thatís totally doable, as we always break for a good hour or so lunch stop, and at least two other comfort breaks.

When I towed with the VW Golf Diesel, the reduction in range was around 20% although that was with a roof box on the car as well, I could just about get 400 miles on a full tank, hammering it at 81mph, so I guess BEVís have some way to go yet, to match that.

Will have another watch of the video, also Bjorn does give some good detail on energy used, from that it would be possible to work out some kind of range.

I do agree though that he did skirt around the actual range in miles, say towing and not towing to give a good comparison.

To date the RWD Long Range Model 3 is not being offered to the UK market which is a pity as that would be the best seller.

UK only gets the choice of the RWD Standard Range Plus or AWD Performance Long Range.

Off course the Performance version is silly money.

Maybe Tesla will introduce the RWD Long Range Model 3 at a later date.


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