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Message posted by bessie50029/7/2019 at 1:21pm
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Mike the cost of the ipace is the same as a Tesla model 3 & a brand new ford ranger

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 29/7/2019
Here I am sat in my firms Diesel car parked in a ASDA car park, engine running and air con on for over an hour cos it’s quite warm outside.

Had I been in a BEV I could have parked up without having to kill anyone.



That a pretty lame abdication of personal responsibility for polluting. That would be illegal on a public road.

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 29/7/2019
Mike the cost of the ipace is the same as a Tesla model 3 & a brand new ford ranger

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That's what I call a toofer!
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We have ben considering a hybrid or electric vehicle as a second car. Dont want a Zoe or Leaf, slow and boring.
The little BMW is good but very pricey.

We looked at Hyundai models at the weekend while checking out the new Santa Fe! (Nice, next tug will be auto version).
The Ioniq is pretty good, comes as BEV plug in hybrid or hybrid.
The sales guy recommended the straight hybrid as cash buyer, cheapest and very good mpg. He uses the demo BEV, but its plugged in at the showroom during the day.
Our Hyundai exerience has been good so far, as was previous Kia ownership! Also good warranty.

Jury still out, the second car would replace a 12 year old low mileage Saab convertible which we love.
Its immaculate and keeping an older Euro 4 car must have a lower carbon footprint than buying a new one!

Then again the Bmw place opposite had a couple of nice low mileage 220d m sport convertibles for same price as an Ioniq. Hmmmm.
Yes diesel, but Euro 6 good mpg and fun factor!

Francais if hot you might find Asda have a nice cool, cafeteria!
Obviously not paying for fuel! Surprised company don't have hybrids now lower emissions etc?



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664DaveS, I don’t think ASDA would appreciate me making my own brew from my flask in there cafeteria, and I doubt the customers would like to hear me talking dirty to my mistress on the phone!

Might even buy her a Renault Minimó for her 18th birthday.

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Some people are just tight!


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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 29/7/2019
Mike the cost of the ipace is the same as a Tesla model 3 & a brand new ford ranger

Bessie



Jaguar ipace from £60K
Tesla 3 from 40K
Ford Ranger from 23K

Looks like a “no brainer” to me. 👍😀

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I like the F Pace, 3.0 diesel V6 would be a cracking tow car!

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Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 29/7/2019
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 29/7/2019
Mike the cost of the ipace is the same as a Tesla model 3 & a brand new ford ranger

Bessie



Jaguar ipace from £60K
Tesla 3 from 40K
Ford Ranger from 23K

Looks like a “no brainer” to me. 👍😀



Mike the ipace is 65k, cool car but very expensive

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Yep 664DaveS, my Dad was a Scotsman, so I guess being tight is in my genes.

The car for the mistress BTW, should have read SEAT Minimó, I was getting it confused with the Reanault Twizy, the SEAT is pretty much the same thing, just a little more refined and not available until 2021.

Mike it really is a no brainer, the Tesla Model 3 costs just 2 pence per mile to run, whilst the Ford Ranger is going to be around 16 pence per mile to run.

For someone like me doing 30k miles per year, so the Tesla Model 3 would be around £4000 cheaper per year to run, so it would only take three years to recoup the difference in price over the Ford Ranger, after that the Tesla Model 3 would be £4000 in my pocket each year, compared to running the Ford Ranger, probably more as fossil fuel is going to rise in price, along with taxation on all fossil cars.

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In my experience, once something becomes popular prices go up. As soon as BEVs become more popular, the cost of running them will increase just as it did with diesel cars. Diesel was once much cheaper at the pumps than petrol, then diesel cars improved drastically, people started buying them, and diesel fuel prices rocketed. Now diesel is dearer than petrol.



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Yep Colin I agree, there is not a lot they can do about electric pricing for BEV’s as that would effect domestic usage as well.

So what we will start to see is road pricing, some kind of black box embedded in the car, that uses gps, in fact the deployment of the 12,000 SpaceX StarLink satellites, will be integral to such a system, all this will begin once the BEV honeymoon is over, and fossil cars will have already been taxed of the roads.

So my £50 fuel cost to get to Frejus and back, will return to costing me £500 it’s a given.

In fact the true cost using a petrol car now is closer to £700 once you factor in the autoroute tolls.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 30/7/2019
Yep Colin I agree, there is not a lot they can do about electric pricing for BEV’s as that would effect domestic usage as well.



Do you honestly think that this would make any difference?

As soon as BEV vehicles take off more and takes over from ICE then the demand for electric goes up and so will the cost of electric, the UK is already having to import electricity from the EU via undersea cables to meet the demand of homes in the UK especially those in the SE.

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The main reason the UK imports electricity from the EU mainland is cost not lack of supply,electricity imported from France is cheaper than the UK can generate it for.
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What I suspect is more likely to happen is that they will start charging exorbitant prices to use the fast chargers. So, you will still be able to charge your BEV at home, if that's possible which it won't be for many, but if you want to use a fast charger it will cost you a fortune.

Why are companies installing these fast chargers? Its because they are looking to the future. They aren't doing it to help the motorist, or even the environment, its because they see an opportunity to make vast profits! Get everyone hooked on fast charging their BEVs, then sting them with massive charges. Once ICE cars are in a minority, if that ever happens, owners of BEVs will have two choices. Charge it at home (if they can) which will take all night, or pay a small fortune to use a fast charger.


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Road tax will have to go upto replace falling revenues from fuel.
Trouble is if you live in a flat or terraced house how do you charge your electric car? Hybrid or hydrogen fuel cell makes more sense.

I believe that stopping incentives for solar panel use was a big mistake. All new build should have them where possible in my opinion.It would increase capacity for more electric vehicles.
We have solar panels on our house, bought several years ago. The feed in tarrif is a nice bonus as well as reduced energy bills. We have just been away for a month, the panels supply small amount of power used during day and no gas as heating off!

They should bin HS2 and use the funds to ensure the whole country has high speed broadband and decent 4g cellphone coverage.

Incdentally in this month C&CC magazine they did their towcar test cmpetition.

They tested the Jaguar I Pace BEV, it can ow only 750kgand range went down to about 100 miles!
Not good, and try getting a car and trailer onto a charge point, most are not big enough!

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