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Message posted by Francais28/3/2020 at 9:21pm
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Heating on the Model Y is from a Heat Pump of a design that is light years ahead of the competition, Nissan have also introduced a Heat Pump and the new Leaf, all Tesla cars prior to the Y use a regular inductive heating element, which is fine, but no where as near as efficient as a Heat Pump.

In fact your next Central Heating Boiler, could well be a Heat Pump derivative, some homes already have them.

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With the pandemic and huge govt spending, I could see the moves to ban oil based fuel vehicles eyc being postponed.
Manufacturers may not have the funds to continue development.
Why they have not postponed or binned HS2 surprises me. I suspect little if any construction is taking place now.
Taxes will have to go up.

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Strange that DaveS, my thoughts are that the transition from fossil cars to BEV’s will ramp up even more so, once COVID-19 starts to clear.

MG Motor UK has just donated 100 of the 164 mile range MG ZS EV cars to the NHS, to be fair the MG ZS EV is probably the best value BEV out there at the moment, and currently works at around £22k for the base model and £24k for top of the range model.

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There will be less money to put in charge points.
Guarenteed that unemployment will probably rise as some companies will not survive.
BEVs are expensive, so sales will suffer.People will keep existing cars or go for cheaper alternative.
Also cutting govt subsidies on them would be a moneysaver.

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Local builder here asking planners to remove requirement for 15 charge points in visitors car parking area of a housing development. They are claiming it's an onerous requirement.

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All new housebuilds with a garage have to have a car charging point, but then they can also be charged with a 3 pin socket as well

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Yep three phase would be a better option for new builds as an option for BEV charging, but I guess 30amp capability is better than nothing, regular 13amp outlet is fine, but woefully slow for charging a BEV.

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Existing houses are 60Amp single phase. About 15kW. New houses are likely to have electric heat pumps for heating.

I'm not sure of the demand of a heat pump, I suspect 4 to 6 kW and water heating also required.

An electric shower is about 10kW now.

Also electric cooking.

So 30A for a charger, about 7kW is probably doable especially if the charge period can be controlled to dovetail with other use and external power availability.

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Yep Navver, although my house is a 1898 end terrace, the previous owner was an electrical engineer and a 30amp supply goes to the double garage, who new that might come in handy for charging a BEV, when we moved into the place back in 2013.

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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 29/3/2020
Local builder here asking planners to remove requirement for 15 charge points in visitors car parking area of a housing development. They are claiming it's an onerous requirement.


.........Especially when it has an adverse effect on their already huge profits.

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For those interested Sandy Munro is doing a tear down of the Model Y multiple short videos on YouTube covering the step by step process.

So far the car is looking very good, with many improvements over the Model 3, in fact it is pretty much looking like Tesla have nailed it with the Model Y.

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Well according to the TESMANIAN website there is evidence of a future software update for the Model Y to be equipped for towing.

None braked trailer capacity is 750kg which will be fine for most tent campers and tongue weight is a very respectable 145kg.

As for braked trailer towing the figure is 1,451kg which is pretty good for a BEV.

It look’s as though there will be third party kit available in the not to distant future, so not just a factory fit only option which is great news.

I think range reduction will be minimal when towing a small camping trailer, probably less than if you were using a roof box.

Towing a caravan will be a different story though, as the drag factor will be significant, even with a pop top caravan.

There is some details on electrics including stability control, but for regular towing electrics I have yet to find out how the wiring interfaces with the cars electrics from the tow socket.

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Aahh at last, no reason why I shouldn't buy one now.

Although, just thought don't they cost a fortune.

Alos, I believe the BEVs have the traction batteries plus a leisure battery for accessories such as lights etc.

The traction batteries are much more than 12 volts.

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Well it just shows we’re we all are in the food chain navver, but the Tesla Model Y will sell in more numbers than they can produce, which will be around 25,000 units per month, so someone has got the money to splash around £50k on a car, but maybe not me and you navver.

My plan is to get one that has just come of a three year lease with around 60k miles on the clock, so maybe around £20k.

The battery should still be good for another 20 years, and only then will be at 90% capacity, the car itself is said to be good for a million miles, which will see me out.

BTW each battery cell is just 3.7v but the car has around 4,000 of them to give a 450v pack.

And yes a regular 12v Lead Acid battery keeps all the computers going etc, but is continually topped up from the main 450v battery pack.

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The one problem I have with electric cars (in their current format) is the charging times.

I realise you can use those fancy charging stations that charge in minutes, but as far as I know they are few and far between.

on a journey from the North East to Cornwall I fill the tank up twice, once in the North East, once about half way and that's it. EV's already have quite a short range, so even without a caravan on the back doing the same trip I would expect recharge probably three times, with a caravan on the back, four or maybe even five time?

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Quote: Originally posted by shaggy2000 on 09/4/2020
The one problem I have with electric cars (in their current format) is the charging times.

I realise you can use those fancy charging stations that charge in minutes, but as far as I know they are few and far between.

on a journey from the North East to Cornwall I fill the tank up twice, once in the North East, once about half way and that's it. EV's already have quite a short range, so even without a caravan on the back doing the same trip I would expect recharge probably three times, with a caravan on the back, four or maybe even five time?




your first stop would be ferrybridge area and then approx. every 100 miles depending on the weather (which way the wind was blowing) I know a bloke who had a tesla and tried towing his van in Norfolk! flat! he was lucky to get 120 miles between stopping, so its going to be a long long trip to get to cornwall and back!


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